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> "Islamic extremism" In Xinjiang region, the concern is more about separatism, which is not terrorism, and which should be a right of any group. > "Anyone cr
by em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
> "Islamic extremism"
In Xinjiang region, the concern is more about separatism, which is not terrorism, and which should be a right of any group.
> "Anyone criticizing China while permitting their own country to do worse is an hypocrite"
One can be critical of their own government while still being critical of others. Even in US, ordinary people don't have much control over the government, in particular over the security state, other than complaining, so "permitting" abuses shouldn't be considered hypocritical.
- mustbesatire 9y ago>In Xinjiang region, the concern is more about separatism, which is not terrorism, and which should be a right of any group. So much this. This is about bigoted Christian males(likely shadow-whites behind the Chinese Christian leadership), trying to force their religious dogma on the muslim population.
- nunobrito 9y agoIslamic extremism is deeply connected to separatism. That's what the "Islamic State" is all about. You can surely be critical of others, your own government does comparably worse to the same minority without even letting ordinary people know. That is hypocrisy.
- em3rgent0rdr 9y agoextremism != separatism.
- 0xcde4c3db 9y agoSeparatism implies that something else exists to be separate from. ISIL has declared that all other states are illegitimate and are to be replaced by a "worldwide caliphate".
- dionian 9y ago"Islamic extremism" is a nebulous category that can be ascribed to ANY socio-political unrest of peoples who happen to live in a predominantly muslim area. What do they call extremism in other areas with deep socioeconomic problems? Non-islamic extremism?
- jbmorgado 9y ago> "What do they call extremism in other areas with deep socioeconomic problems? Non-islamic extremism?" Well, when members of another ideology also start stabbing people in our streets and running down trucks into the middle of gatherings in order to kill as much civilians as possible, and when they start exploding themselves amongst our children or putting bombs in our metro stations, I'm absolutely sure we will find a name for them. So far, thankfully, we really didn't had the need for that.
- HillaryBriss 9y ago> separatism ... which should be a right of any group wait. how would that work? seriously. would that apply to Texans and Californians who want to secede from the US? what about: * a sect of highly conservative polygamists in the American West? * the Michigan Militia? * extreme American Communist party members? * David Koresh followers? * a population of immigrants from country X who now live in country Y? * ethnic Russians in Ukraine? do any/all of these groups have the right to separate from their current government? what are the ground rules?
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago> "wait. how would that work? seriously" Answer: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." -US Declaration of Independence Depending on the specific case, it would be up to people to determine whether these conditions have been met.
- hnbroseph 9y agowas the uk acquisition of northern ireland legit - even though they 'bussed in' a bunch of brits to vote for it?
- em3rgent0rdr 9y agothat is an interesting question. I actually don't think majority voting should be the final arbiter for the legitimacy of a government.