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Nah, once you are stealing books from a public university you have crossed the ethical line. I think crimes against libraries rate up there as some of the worst

Nah, once you are stealing books from a public university you have crossed the ethical line. I think crimes against libraries rate up there as some of the worst social or even war crimes, similar to the destruction of ancient historical landmarks. It is good this person can not anymore deprive future generations of readers books and the knowledge they contain.

enraged_camel 9y ago
>> I think crimes against libraries rate up there as some of the worst social or even war crimes, similar to the destruction of ancient historical landmarks. So let me get this straight: you believe that stealing books from libraries is the equivalent of, say, massacring civilians during wars?
- SamReidHughes 9y ago
  That would be stealing motorcycles, actually.
- function_seven 9y ago
  Some very interesting thought experiments arise from this. Imagine these rare books are worth $5 million at auction. $5 million can do a tremendous amount of good. It can feed a lot of people, educate a small village from birth to adulthood, save hundreds of lives from Malaria and other mosquito-born diseases, and pay for many other life-saving medical interventions. Should the library sell the books and spend the money on the above items? I know my analogy doesn't quite jive with the civilian-massacre-vs-book-thieving choice. But hopefully it shows just how immensely important libraries are. Had the Library at Alexandria not been destroyed, there's no telling how much earlier our civilization would have advanced to the relatively peaceful time we live in now. I guess the difference between then and now is that we have the ability to digitize all these rare works. That should be one of the highest priorities for our civilization these days. Get them digitized and replicated. There's still the storage medium problems, but with enough replication, we can hopefully ensure the durability of all that information nonetheless.
  - true_religion 9y ago
    Yes. Knowledge is important... particularly old books are much less so. I wouldn't really mind it if all the knowledge of the library of Alexandria were preserved due to backups located 20 miles away, whilst the old originals burned.
    - function_seven 9y ago
      Yeah, the knowledge is the most important part. But there's still the issue of public ownership of valuable items. Let's assume the entire contents of a rare book—or let's say a famous renaissance painting—is digitized at high quality. Is it a moral failing for a public library or museum to hold on to the work instead of converting it to cash and spending that cash on life-saving initiatives? Is valuing these original works an irrational thing that we humans do? I can't logically argue for keeping the works, yet I think something would be lost if all art was sold to the highest bidder and the proceeds used for charity.
ohquu 9y ago
Yeah, I'd say it goes something like this: 1. Rape and pillage of settlements. 2. Using child soldiers. 3. Stealing books from libraries. 4. Deploying poisonous weapons on civilians.
- koolba 9y ago
  I honestly can't tell if that list is in ascending or descending order.

enraged_camel 9y ago

>> I think crimes against libraries rate up there as some of the worst social or even war crimes, similar to the destruction of ancient historical landmarks. So let me get this straight: you believe that stealing books from libraries is the equivalent of, say, massacring civilians during wars?

SamReidHughes 9y ago
That would be stealing motorcycles, actually.
function_seven 9y ago
Some very interesting thought experiments arise from this. Imagine these rare books are worth $5 million at auction. $5 million can do a tremendous amount of good. It can feed a lot of people, educate a small village from birth to adulthood, save hundreds of lives from Malaria and other mosquito-born diseases, and pay for many other life-saving medical interventions. Should the library sell the books and spend the money on the above items? I know my analogy doesn't quite jive with the civilian-massacre-vs-book-thieving choice. But hopefully it shows just how immensely important libraries are. Had the Library at Alexandria not been destroyed, there's no telling how much earlier our civilization would have advanced to the relatively peaceful time we live in now. I guess the difference between then and now is that we have the ability to digitize all these rare works. That should be one of the highest priorities for our civilization these days. Get them digitized and replicated. There's still the storage medium problems, but with enough replication, we can hopefully ensure the durability of all that information nonetheless.
- true_religion 9y ago
  Yes. Knowledge is important... particularly old books are much less so. I wouldn't really mind it if all the knowledge of the library of Alexandria were preserved due to backups located 20 miles away, whilst the old originals burned.
  - function_seven 9y ago
    Yeah, the knowledge is the most important part. But there's still the issue of public ownership of valuable items. Let's assume the entire contents of a rare book—or let's say a famous renaissance painting—is digitized at high quality. Is it a moral failing for a public library or museum to hold on to the work instead of converting it to cash and spending that cash on life-saving initiatives? Is valuing these original works an irrational thing that we humans do? I can't logically argue for keeping the works, yet I think something would be lost if all art was sold to the highest bidder and the proceeds used for charity.

ohquu 9y ago

Yeah, I'd say it goes something like this: 1. Rape and pillage of settlements. 2. Using child soldiers. 3. Stealing books from libraries. 4. Deploying poisonous weapons on civilians.

koolba 9y ago
I honestly can't tell if that list is in ascending or descending order.