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Or... we place the blame on being in bad places where the blame belongs. If I throw $10,000 over the white house fence and you jump the fence to get to it, its

Or... we place the blame on being in bad places where the blame belongs. If I throw $10,000 over the white house fence and you jump the fence to get to it, its still YOUR problem and YOU are the one at fault for being where you arent supposed to be. Place the blame on the people who disregard the rules, the game isnt responsible because it placed something there. This would be like... "Hey, you shot a deer in the middle of the street downtown during deer season, i guess its not your fault that you were hunting deer in the middle of the street, there was a deer here afterall..."

dragonwriter 9y ago
> If I throw $10,000 over the white house fence and you jump the fence to get to it, its still YOUR problem and YOU are the one at fault for being where you arent supposed to be. Actually, I'm fairly sure throwing objects over the White House fence without some authority is also illegal, so in your example both parties would legally be at fault.
- sqeaky 9y ago
  Somehow, I don't think normal rules apply to people who have enough spare money so that can they toss $10,000 just to see what you will do.
  - sqeaky 9y ago
    Interesting how this went through up and downvotes. Yet no one telling me why I am wrong. There are so many ways to dodge rules with money. One could be a diplomat and immune, claim it was a campaign donation to get the favor and therefor lenience of the incumbent, use the rest of the money to hire suberb lawyers to drag the case out forever, Since its the presidents lawn a presidential pardon might help or of any of the other ways were having a ton of wealth simply provides more options.
Paul-ish 9y ago
The point is not to place blame, the point is to find a solution that works best for everyone.
- jmcdiesel 9y ago
  Blame in the juvenile sense is useless. Blame in the sense of figuring out who is the person responsible for the offense is very important. If you don't know within who lies the responsibility, you don't know how to fix it. IF the problem is littering, you fine littering people more. IF the problem is trampling flora, then rope off areas or add signage to prevent walking in certain areas and ENFORCE those rules...
  - Paul-ish 9y ago
    Why not both? It seems inefficient to give citations to the waves of newcomers every day. What if we found that a simple change by app developers could drastically reduce property damage. Wouldn't it be in everybody's interest to have that change implemented?
    - URSpider94 9y ago
      I think you are buying in too much to the city's legal arguments, which by definition are hyperbolic. The locations of Pokestops and gyms in Pokémon Go derive from crowd sourced locations used in Ingress, Niantic's earlier AR game. These locations are generally in publicly accessible places. The geofencing on pokestops is also not that tight - there is never really a good reason to stray off of paths in a park to reach a Pokestop. You might have to walk on the grass if the Pokestop were, say, a statue in the middle of a field, but it's a park, that's what you do. It's worth noting that in cases where pokestops are located in particularly sensitive locations, like inside hospital wards or at church altars, Niantic has indeed de-activated or re-located them. My main point is, people trampling flowers are acting badly, either that or the flowers are growing in a place where people are allowed to walk ... The location in question is a public park that's normally quiet, but people decided it was a good area for Pokémon hunting. It's a public park, thats well within their rights. Ita not at all obvious that Niantic CAN do anything in a case like this, nor SHOULD they be expected to.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> If I throw $10,000 over the white house fence and you jump the fence to get to it, its still YOUR problem and YOU are the one at fault for being where you arent supposed to be. Actually, I'm fairly sure throwing objects over the White House fence without some authority is also illegal, so in your example both parties would legally be at fault.

sqeaky 9y ago
Somehow, I don't think normal rules apply to people who have enough spare money so that can they toss $10,000 just to see what you will do.
- sqeaky 9y ago
  Interesting how this went through up and downvotes. Yet no one telling me why I am wrong. There are so many ways to dodge rules with money. One could be a diplomat and immune, claim it was a campaign donation to get the favor and therefor lenience of the incumbent, use the rest of the money to hire suberb lawyers to drag the case out forever, Since its the presidents lawn a presidential pardon might help or of any of the other ways were having a ton of wealth simply provides more options.

Paul-ish 9y ago

The point is not to place blame, the point is to find a solution that works best for everyone.

jmcdiesel 9y ago
Blame in the juvenile sense is useless. Blame in the sense of figuring out who is the person responsible for the offense is very important. If you don't know within who lies the responsibility, you don't know how to fix it. IF the problem is littering, you fine littering people more. IF the problem is trampling flora, then rope off areas or add signage to prevent walking in certain areas and ENFORCE those rules...
- Paul-ish 9y ago
  Why not both? It seems inefficient to give citations to the waves of newcomers every day. What if we found that a simple change by app developers could drastically reduce property damage. Wouldn't it be in everybody's interest to have that change implemented?
  - URSpider94 9y ago
    I think you are buying in too much to the city's legal arguments, which by definition are hyperbolic. The locations of Pokestops and gyms in Pokémon Go derive from crowd sourced locations used in Ingress, Niantic's earlier AR game. These locations are generally in publicly accessible places. The geofencing on pokestops is also not that tight - there is never really a good reason to stray off of paths in a park to reach a Pokestop. You might have to walk on the grass if the Pokestop were, say, a statue in the middle of a field, but it's a park, that's what you do. It's worth noting that in cases where pokestops are located in particularly sensitive locations, like inside hospital wards or at church altars, Niantic has indeed de-activated or re-located them. My main point is, people trampling flowers are acting badly, either that or the flowers are growing in a place where people are allowed to walk ... The location in question is a public park that's normally quiet, but people decided it was a good area for Pokémon hunting. It's a public park, thats well within their rights. Ita not at all obvious that Niantic CAN do anything in a case like this, nor SHOULD they be expected to.