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That's a false dichotomy. The real solution to this problem is, and was, as you strangely seem to have forgotten history, to abolish slavery altogether. Likewi

by ajnin 9y ago

That's a false dichotomy. The real solution to this problem is, and was, as you strangely seem to have forgotten history, to abolish slavery altogether. Likewise in prisons the solution is to abolish slave labour and instead give the same work rights to prisoners as to the rest of the population, including minimum wage. For some perverse reason there is the general idea floating in people's minds that prisoners should be subjected to as much suffering as possible. Being deprived of their freedoms is not enough, they should also sleep in unhealthy conditions, be raped, and be forced to work for next to nothing. This is not the social contract, and this is not an efficient way to fight crime. In fact it probably contributes to create more crime.

GhostVII 9y ago
> Likewise in prisons the solution is to abolish slave labour and instead give the same work rights to prisoners as to the rest of the population, including minimum wage. Why should we do that though? It costs a lot of money to keep people in prisons, the prisoners should help pay for that through their work. I think that they should get paid something, but since their food and housing is taken care of getting paid minimum wage seems excessive to me, and no one will hire a prisoner for minimum wage anyways. > For some perverse reason there is the general idea floating in people's minds that prisoners should be subjected to as much suffering as possible. Being deprived of their freedoms is not enough, they should also sleep in unhealthy conditions, be raped, and be forced to work for next to nothing. Do you actually know many people who think that? I've never heard anyone say that 'prisoners should be subjected to as much suffering as possible,' or anything along those lines.
- anth1988 9y ago
  You could pay them minimum wage and then withhold some percentage to cover costs. You could take some of the money and put it into an account, so when a person gets out they have a bit of money to get basic necessities while they try to reintegrate. For people who are getting out the focus should be more on making sure they learn to function in society. > I've never heard anyone say that 'prisoners should be subjected to as much suffering as possible Read literally any reddit thread where the criminal is convicted of child rape. You have people wanting the state to kill them, people wanting prisoners to kill them, cheering for prison rapes, etc...

by ajnin 9y ago

GhostVII 9y ago

> Likewise in prisons the solution is to abolish slave labour and instead give the same work rights to prisoners as to the rest of the population, including minimum wage. Why should we do that though? It costs a lot of money to keep people in prisons, the prisoners should help pay for that through their work. I think that they should get paid something, but since their food and housing is taken care of getting paid minimum wage seems excessive to me, and no one will hire a prisoner for minimum wage anyways. > For some perverse reason there is the general idea floating in people's minds that prisoners should be subjected to as much suffering as possible. Being deprived of their freedoms is not enough, they should also sleep in unhealthy conditions, be raped, and be forced to work for next to nothing. Do you actually know many people who think that? I've never heard anyone say that 'prisoners should be subjected to as much suffering as possible,' or anything along those lines.

anth1988 9y ago
You could pay them minimum wage and then withhold some percentage to cover costs. You could take some of the money and put it into an account, so when a person gets out they have a bit of money to get basic necessities while they try to reintegrate. For people who are getting out the focus should be more on making sure they learn to function in society. > I've never heard anyone say that 'prisoners should be subjected to as much suffering as possible Read literally any reddit thread where the criminal is convicted of child rape. You have people wanting the state to kill them, people wanting prisoners to kill them, cheering for prison rapes, etc...