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Just means I won't be playing on Linux since if not all most of the good games live on Windows. If I take your perspective, that Linux is separate platform, lik

Just means I won't be playing on Linux since if not all most of the good games live on Windows. If I take your perspective, that Linux is separate platform, like console vs PC. Then the battle is already lost and there is no point for me to care in the slightest.

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
Many, many great games are available on Linux, and the platform has a lot of compelling reasons outside of games to choose it over Windows. And unlike any other gaming platform, Linux has software like Wine to expand its game library into those of other platforms. And unlike the typical console vs PC wars, Linux is still a PC and has all of the benefits of using one. But it sounds like you're just looking to justify your confirmation bias, and so be it.
- nextlevelwizard 9y ago
  Most games I play do not have Linux port, so by definition I would be spending most if not all of my time in Wine, which drastically lowers performance. All examples people have thrown at me have been single player story driven games which do not interest me in the least. I only play multi player games with my friends, since single player games rarely keep my interest (last single player campaign/game I finished was Portal 2 since it was so short) Then there's always "will this even work with wine" question. Like take any Blizzard game, the downloader/launcher simply does not work on Wine (or at least it did not when I last tried it). When a new game comes out that I want to play, I don't want to think if I can play it, I want know I can if I choose to. This is even bigger concern since most interesting games now days are not AAA titles, but various smaller games, mods, and early access titles. Game we've spent most time playing last month is easily Playerunknown's Battlegrounds and with quick look at Wine DB it's status is "garbage" If I look Linux as separate platform then there is no hope I would be using it to play games.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    >Most games I play do not have Linux port This is exactly the stupid mindset I'm talking about. You can play different games! It's okay, really, to play different games! Other games are fun too! Here's an incomplete list of multiplayer games that run natively on Linux, sourced from my own steam library and the popular linux games on steam: - Rocket League - CS:GO (and CS:Source) - Rust - Garry's Mod - Terraria - Insurgency - Borderlands 2 (+ pre-sequel) - Civ V - Left 4 Dead (1 & 2) - Dota 2 - Torchlight II - Team Fortress 2 - Battleblock Theater - Natural Selection 2 - PAYDAY 2 You like multiplayer games? Great! There's loads of them on Linux, and they're all super fun. You don't need to play the same games as Windows to have fun.
    - cwyers 9y ago
      But most (I think all) of those are on Windows. It's not just different, it's strictly inferior.
      - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
        You're missing my point. Does Linux have fewer games? Yes. But Linux is absolutely a viable gaming platform and the other benefits to using Linux over Windows are extremely compelling.
        swampangel 9y ago
        What are the other benefits from your perspective? To me, they are: - license cost (a small hurdle if you're buying $60 games) - open source (mainly a moral/ideological advantage rather than a practical one) - developer tooling (minimized if you use tools like Docker or Vagrant)
        Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
        Refer to my list of Windows shortcomings here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14819706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14819706 I'll also add: - WAY more customizable and flexible - Can enjoy a smug sense of satisfaction as Windows users are hit by ransomware - Does not spy on you - Runs great on everything, including >10 year old hardware It's also not driven by corporate interests. The #1 goal of Microsoft is to make money, and they'll put that before the needs of the user. Things like Windows 10 forced upgrades, spyware, ads in Windows explorer, etc - none of this would fly on Linux because Linux is made by people who just want the best possible operating system, not the one that monetizes uses the most effectively.
- Ntrails 9y ago
  The console wars are not won by the games available on both, but by the exclusives. Unless Linux has exclusives (which it doesn't afaik) then it has lost the battle completely and utterly. Windows is the default choice for gaming PCs and unless something drives a significant change that will continue to be the case as linux is clearly a second class citizen.
  - shmerl 9y ago
    Exclusives are increasingly dying out. For independent developers, there is no point to limit their distribution to some specific platform. It only decreases their profits.

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago

Many, many great games are available on Linux, and the platform has a lot of compelling reasons outside of games to choose it over Windows. And unlike any other gaming platform, Linux has software like Wine to expand its game library into those of other platforms. And unlike the typical console vs PC wars, Linux is still a PC and has all of the benefits of using one. But it sounds like you're just looking to justify your confirmation bias, and so be it.

nextlevelwizard 9y ago
Most games I play do not have Linux port, so by definition I would be spending most if not all of my time in Wine, which drastically lowers performance. All examples people have thrown at me have been single player story driven games which do not interest me in the least. I only play multi player games with my friends, since single player games rarely keep my interest (last single player campaign/game I finished was Portal 2 since it was so short) Then there's always "will this even work with wine" question. Like take any Blizzard game, the downloader/launcher simply does not work on Wine (or at least it did not when I last tried it). When a new game comes out that I want to play, I don't want to think if I can play it, I want know I can if I choose to. This is even bigger concern since most interesting games now days are not AAA titles, but various smaller games, mods, and early access titles. Game we've spent most time playing last month is easily Playerunknown's Battlegrounds and with quick look at Wine DB it's status is "garbage" If I look Linux as separate platform then there is no hope I would be using it to play games.
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  >Most games I play do not have Linux port This is exactly the stupid mindset I'm talking about. You can play different games! It's okay, really, to play different games! Other games are fun too! Here's an incomplete list of multiplayer games that run natively on Linux, sourced from my own steam library and the popular linux games on steam: - Rocket League - CS:GO (and CS:Source) - Rust - Garry's Mod - Terraria - Insurgency - Borderlands 2 (+ pre-sequel) - Civ V - Left 4 Dead (1 & 2) - Dota 2 - Torchlight II - Team Fortress 2 - Battleblock Theater - Natural Selection 2 - PAYDAY 2 You like multiplayer games? Great! There's loads of them on Linux, and they're all super fun. You don't need to play the same games as Windows to have fun.
  - cwyers 9y ago
    But most (I think all) of those are on Windows. It's not just different, it's strictly inferior.
    - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
      You're missing my point. Does Linux have fewer games? Yes. But Linux is absolutely a viable gaming platform and the other benefits to using Linux over Windows are extremely compelling.
      - swampangel 9y ago
        What are the other benefits from your perspective? To me, they are: - license cost (a small hurdle if you're buying $60 games) - open source (mainly a moral/ideological advantage rather than a practical one) - developer tooling (minimized if you use tools like Docker or Vagrant)
        Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
        Refer to my list of Windows shortcomings here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14819706 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14819706 I'll also add: - WAY more customizable and flexible - Can enjoy a smug sense of satisfaction as Windows users are hit by ransomware - Does not spy on you - Runs great on everything, including >10 year old hardware It's also not driven by corporate interests. The #1 goal of Microsoft is to make money, and they'll put that before the needs of the user. Things like Windows 10 forced upgrades, spyware, ads in Windows explorer, etc - none of this would fly on Linux because Linux is made by people who just want the best possible operating system, not the one that monetizes uses the most effectively.
Ntrails 9y ago
The console wars are not won by the games available on both, but by the exclusives. Unless Linux has exclusives (which it doesn't afaik) then it has lost the battle completely and utterly. Windows is the default choice for gaming PCs and unless something drives a significant change that will continue to be the case as linux is clearly a second class citizen.
- shmerl 9y ago
  Exclusives are increasingly dying out. For independent developers, there is no point to limit their distribution to some specific platform. It only decreases their profits.