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For sure, 40 fps is playable, but at that point you might as well just buy a console and play the games with that with no hassle and run Linux for other purpose

For sure, 40 fps is playable, but at that point you might as well just buy a console and play the games with that with no hassle and run Linux for other purposes. It will probably be cheaper in the long run. However I've spent money on 144Hz monitors and for enough performance that the games I play run on at least constant 120 fps. Obviously it's not necessary if you are in it just for a story, but as mentioned in another post I exclusively play multiplayer games with my friends and if you haven't experienced playing games (or even just using a computer) with 144Hz (running at or higher frame rate) it's like a night and day.

shmerl 9y ago
> but at that point you might as well just buy a console and play the games with that with no hassle and run Linux for other purposes. I stay away from DRMed platforms, so incumbent consoles are no go for me. About higher framerates - it should be OK, once AMD will merge FreeSync support in amdgpu driver upstream. My monitor is 60Hz anyway, but to have good experience without tearing on high frequency monitors, FreeSync can help. Today, to use it you'd need to install customized kernel from AMD.
- nextlevelwizard 9y ago
  As I said earlier we are still long, long way away from Linux gaming being a thing and longer it takes for Linux to come to parity now the further Windows will race ahead if you believe all in the VR hype that's going on. >I stay away from DRMed platforms I am not ideologically bound, I care about performance. If Linux is enough for you then more power to you, I wish it could be enough for me too.
  - shmerl 9y ago
    Vulkan is already available, which removes any advantage that Windows might have had in the past beacuse of DX being ahead of OpenGL. VR related development in Vulkan drivers / Linux graphics stack is now active as well. If you care about performance, you'd stay away from consoles anyway. They are way too limited in comparison. So I don't agree that Linux is much behind technically. Smaller market share is more of an issue.
    - nextlevelwizard 9y ago
      I've heard about vulkan for quite some time now, still haven't seen it used widely. Currently I do not see a future where Linux would be on equal footing with Windows when gaming is concerned. Linux would have to become way easier to use and have something that was strictly better than Windows. Free software and other ideological stuff won't make gamers to switch. What Linux needs is image and video editing suites to rival and surpass Photoshop, AfterEffects, Premiere, Final Cut, etc. Some streaming technology that is strictly better than anything available on Windows (so I guess OBS should drop Windows support or something) and then games would need to run at least on par. Maybe then some of the influential people (youtube personalities, twitch streamers) would switch over and bring their fans with them. As long as Linux is just sort of viable there won't be wide adoption, because why would you change everything about your computing life for something that's +/-0% gain. Even at 10% better experience you might have to consider hard if changing over is worth the effort. Linux needs to magically become superior in many ways for people to hope on board in large numbers.
      - shmerl 9y ago
        > I've heard about vulkan for quite some time now, still haven't seen it used widely. It's recent, so its usage is gradually growing. Unity engine now supports it, with Unreal and Cry on the way. Once major engines will have it, it will implicitly be used in much larger numbers.
        nextlevelwizard 9y ago
        I have no idea how game development works, so would this mean that you can just compile Linux and Windows binaries from the same source code? Or is it just easier to make it multi platform? Also is there any thing like with Xbox vs Playstation were you have to do some platform specific tricks to get the performance up or is that way further in the line for optimisation?
        shmerl 9y ago
        It would allow using higher performance design where it's supported. Walled garden platforms like PS and Xbox will require duplicating the work anyway, thanks to MS and Sony being lock-in jerks in general. It wastes engine developers' efforts for no good reason, but there isn't anything they can do about it.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >I stay away from DRMed platforms, so incumbent consoles are no go for me. Yes, but we were talking about Linux's popularity as a gaming platform, and why it's not more widespread, and that's not an issue the huge majority of gamers share -- so they'd rather use a console.
  - shmerl 9y ago
    Consoles vs PC has nothing to do with Linux popularity. Linux is underrepresented in gaming because of smaller market share, which in turn is caused by sickening dominance of MS, and their efforts to push lock-in on developers (DX and such). I.e. still the vast majority of PCs are sold with Windows pre-installed. That's the root of most of these problems.

shmerl 9y ago

> but at that point you might as well just buy a console and play the games with that with no hassle and run Linux for other purposes. I stay away from DRMed platforms, so incumbent consoles are no go for me. About higher framerates - it should be OK, once AMD will merge FreeSync support in amdgpu driver upstream. My monitor is 60Hz anyway, but to have good experience without tearing on high frequency monitors, FreeSync can help. Today, to use it you'd need to install customized kernel from AMD.

nextlevelwizard 9y ago
As I said earlier we are still long, long way away from Linux gaming being a thing and longer it takes for Linux to come to parity now the further Windows will race ahead if you believe all in the VR hype that's going on. >I stay away from DRMed platforms I am not ideologically bound, I care about performance. If Linux is enough for you then more power to you, I wish it could be enough for me too.
- shmerl 9y ago
  Vulkan is already available, which removes any advantage that Windows might have had in the past beacuse of DX being ahead of OpenGL. VR related development in Vulkan drivers / Linux graphics stack is now active as well. If you care about performance, you'd stay away from consoles anyway. They are way too limited in comparison. So I don't agree that Linux is much behind technically. Smaller market share is more of an issue.
  - nextlevelwizard 9y ago
    I've heard about vulkan for quite some time now, still haven't seen it used widely. Currently I do not see a future where Linux would be on equal footing with Windows when gaming is concerned. Linux would have to become way easier to use and have something that was strictly better than Windows. Free software and other ideological stuff won't make gamers to switch. What Linux needs is image and video editing suites to rival and surpass Photoshop, AfterEffects, Premiere, Final Cut, etc. Some streaming technology that is strictly better than anything available on Windows (so I guess OBS should drop Windows support or something) and then games would need to run at least on par. Maybe then some of the influential people (youtube personalities, twitch streamers) would switch over and bring their fans with them. As long as Linux is just sort of viable there won't be wide adoption, because why would you change everything about your computing life for something that's +/-0% gain. Even at 10% better experience you might have to consider hard if changing over is worth the effort. Linux needs to magically become superior in many ways for people to hope on board in large numbers.
    - shmerl 9y ago
      > I've heard about vulkan for quite some time now, still haven't seen it used widely. It's recent, so its usage is gradually growing. Unity engine now supports it, with Unreal and Cry on the way. Once major engines will have it, it will implicitly be used in much larger numbers.
      - nextlevelwizard 9y ago
        I have no idea how game development works, so would this mean that you can just compile Linux and Windows binaries from the same source code? Or is it just easier to make it multi platform? Also is there any thing like with Xbox vs Playstation were you have to do some platform specific tricks to get the performance up or is that way further in the line for optimisation?
        shmerl 9y ago
        It would allow using higher performance design where it's supported. Walled garden platforms like PS and Xbox will require duplicating the work anyway, thanks to MS and Sony being lock-in jerks in general. It wastes engine developers' efforts for no good reason, but there isn't anything they can do about it.
coldtea 9y ago
>I stay away from DRMed platforms, so incumbent consoles are no go for me. Yes, but we were talking about Linux's popularity as a gaming platform, and why it's not more widespread, and that's not an issue the huge majority of gamers share -- so they'd rather use a console.
- shmerl 9y ago
  Consoles vs PC has nothing to do with Linux popularity. Linux is underrepresented in gaming because of smaller market share, which in turn is caused by sickening dominance of MS, and their efforts to push lock-in on developers (DX and such). I.e. still the vast majority of PCs are sold with Windows pre-installed. That's the root of most of these problems.