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This is why I buy Intel graphics only... No laptops with Nvidia, not even dual graphics. Maybe AMD if they drop proprietary drivers. But never Nvidia.

by jopsen 9y ago

tomc1985 9y ago
fglrx/amdcccle and now amdgpu-pro is AMD's proprietary driver package
morecoffee 9y ago
Intel driver support is pretty bad. If you aren't running with i915 at close to head there are easy to hit graphics bugs. Running most Steam games on Linux yields much worse performance and stability than running the same games on the same hardware with Windows.
- ekianjo 9y ago
  It's far from being a single variable here. WHen you talk about games, it's not just about the drivers, it's about what graphics API used as well, and how well the engine is optimized to run on OpenGL in the first place. Most engines are made with DirectX in mind so any quick port to OpenGL will lead to worse performance regardless of driver quality.
  - morecoffee 9y ago
    To be honest, I can put up with the less than graphics. What really got me was the regular hangs that would happen. I spent a fairly long time trying out different things to debug it, and eventually reported the hangs to the DRM list. While they were helpful, their answer was to update my kernel. It worked, but I am not comfortable having to run at head just to play old video games.
saghm 9y ago
In my experience, dual graphics on Linux is more of a pain than either solely Nvidia or solely integrated. Both my current and past laptop have had dual integrated/Nvidia setups (the first because I didn't know any better, and the latter because I mistakenly thought it was discrete only), and both times my solution has been to just not set up the discrete card at all because I've been unable to get the dual setup working in a reasonable amount of time and I don't do anything graphics-intensive enough for it to matter.
- ekianjo 9y ago
  Solus is, as far as I know, working on a software solution to make dual GPU systems better supported.
  - johnny22 9y ago
    it's not just Solus. they are riding on other peoples work too. GLVND (GL Vendor Neutral Dispatch) was worked on by Redhat folks.
nhaehnle 9y ago
You should be happy to hear that while AMD still has a proprietary driver for some outlier workstation cases, the officially recommended "default" driver is the fully open-source stack.

This is why I buy Intel graphics only... No laptops with Nvidia, not even dual graphics. Maybe AMD if they drop proprietary drivers. But never Nvidia.

by jopsen 9y ago

This is why I buy Intel graphics only... No laptops with Nvidia, not even dual graphics. Maybe AMD if they drop proprietary drivers. But never Nvidia.

tomc1985 9y ago

fglrx/amdcccle and now amdgpu-pro is AMD's proprietary driver package

morecoffee 9y ago

Intel driver support is pretty bad. If you aren't running with i915 at close to head there are easy to hit graphics bugs. Running most Steam games on Linux yields much worse performance and stability than running the same games on the same hardware with Windows.

ekianjo 9y ago
It's far from being a single variable here. WHen you talk about games, it's not just about the drivers, it's about what graphics API used as well, and how well the engine is optimized to run on OpenGL in the first place. Most engines are made with DirectX in mind so any quick port to OpenGL will lead to worse performance regardless of driver quality.
- morecoffee 9y ago
  To be honest, I can put up with the less than graphics. What really got me was the regular hangs that would happen. I spent a fairly long time trying out different things to debug it, and eventually reported the hangs to the DRM list. While they were helpful, their answer was to update my kernel. It worked, but I am not comfortable having to run at head just to play old video games.

saghm 9y ago

In my experience, dual graphics on Linux is more of a pain than either solely Nvidia or solely integrated. Both my current and past laptop have had dual integrated/Nvidia setups (the first because I didn't know any better, and the latter because I mistakenly thought it was discrete only), and both times my solution has been to just not set up the discrete card at all because I've been unable to get the dual setup working in a reasonable amount of time and I don't do anything graphics-intensive enough for it to matter.

ekianjo 9y ago
Solus is, as far as I know, working on a software solution to make dual GPU systems better supported.
- johnny22 9y ago
  it's not just Solus. they are riding on other peoples work too. GLVND (GL Vendor Neutral Dispatch) was worked on by Redhat folks.

nhaehnle 9y ago

You should be happy to hear that while AMD still has a proprietary driver for some outlier workstation cases, the officially recommended "default" driver is the fully open-source stack.