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I bet that the 0.5% of the population that are homeless are found almost entirely in the bottom 20%. This would mean they are about 2.5% of that group. And it

by Mz 9y ago

I bet that the 0.5% of the population that are homeless are found almost entirely in the bottom 20%. This would mean they are about 2.5% of that group. And it may be higher, depending on the definition of homeless being used. Most people think of street people as The Homeless, but social workers, et al, also consider many other people to be homeless. They are often counted among the hidden homeless. These include people who are couch surfing, living with relatives temporarily to avoid being out in the street, people in temporary shelters and people in substandard housing considered unfit for human habitation.

microcolonel 9y ago
> I bet that the 0.5% of the population that are homeless are found almost entirely in the bottom 20%. This would mean they are about 2.5% of that group. Seems a bit obvious. > And it may be higher, depending on the definition of homeless being used. Most people think of street people as The Homeless, but social workers, et al, also consider many other people to be homeless. They are often counted among the hidden homeless. These include people who are couch surfing, living with relatives temporarily to avoid being out in the street, people in temporary shelters and people in substandard housing considered unfit for human habitation. > couch surfing Couch surfing is (usually) not homelessness, I slept on people's couches when I was trying to get out of my mom's house in the most expensive city in Canada. I lived just fine, though. Couch surfing is not always great, but it isn't homelessness. > living with relatives temporarily to avoid being out in the street Unless your relatives are abusive, I don't think living with relatives counts as homeless either. If I were comfortable around my parents, I don't see why I would've moved out yet, it'd be a waste of money. > substandard housing considered unfit for human habitation Substandard housing is tenuous, I've lived in places with a horribly leaky roof, flaky electricity, and questionable structural integrity... but I don't even think that quite counts as homeless. I guess it's closer. "Unfit" is ill-defined, many houses that people would gladly have lived in in the 40s would be considered "unfit" today, but I doubt these "unfit" homes are presenting an overwhelming mortal danger like being homeless. > temporary shelters Temporary shelters I don't know about, I don't think they count people living in camping tents (or other non-permanent tents) as housed.
- Mz 9y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness The legal definition of homeless varies from country to country, or among different jurisdictions in the same country or region.[2] The term homeless may also include people whose primary night-time residence is in a homeless shelter, a domestic violence shelter, long-term residence in a motel, a vehicle, squatting, cardboard boxes, a tent city, tarpaulins, shanty town structures made of discarded building materials or other ad hoc housing situations. According to the UK homelessness charity Crisis, a home is not just a physical space: it also provides roots, identity, security, a sense of belonging and a place of emotional wellbeing.[3] American government homeless enumeration studies[4][5] also include people who sleep in a public or private place not designed for use as a regular sleeping accommodation for human beings.
  - microcolonel 9y ago
    > The term homeless may also include people whose primary night-time residence is in a homeless shelter, a domestic violence shelter, long-term residence in a motel, a vehicle, squatting, cardboard boxes, a tent city, tarpaulins, shanty town structures made of discarded building materials or other ad hoc housing situations. I fully accept this definition, I just don't consider staying with relatives or friends, or in a degraded-but-serviceable house, to be homelessness, even if you don't have any other decent choice. I'm not ecstatic with my housing choices right now. I live in a ~7m² room with no windows or ventilation, but that doesn't mean I'm anywhere near homeless.
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by Mz 9y ago

microcolonel 9y ago

> I bet that the 0.5% of the population that are homeless are found almost entirely in the bottom 20%. This would mean they are about 2.5% of that group. Seems a bit obvious. > And it may be higher, depending on the definition of homeless being used. Most people think of street people as The Homeless, but social workers, et al, also consider many other people to be homeless. They are often counted among the hidden homeless. These include people who are couch surfing, living with relatives temporarily to avoid being out in the street, people in temporary shelters and people in substandard housing considered unfit for human habitation. > couch surfing Couch surfing is (usually) not homelessness, I slept on people's couches when I was trying to get out of my mom's house in the most expensive city in Canada. I lived just fine, though. Couch surfing is not always great, but it isn't homelessness. > living with relatives temporarily to avoid being out in the street Unless your relatives are abusive, I don't think living with relatives counts as homeless either. If I were comfortable around my parents, I don't see why I would've moved out yet, it'd be a waste of money. > substandard housing considered unfit for human habitation Substandard housing is tenuous, I've lived in places with a horribly leaky roof, flaky electricity, and questionable structural integrity... but I don't even think that quite counts as homeless. I guess it's closer. "Unfit" is ill-defined, many houses that people would gladly have lived in in the 40s would be considered "unfit" today, but I doubt these "unfit" homes are presenting an overwhelming mortal danger like being homeless. > temporary shelters Temporary shelters I don't know about, I don't think they count people living in camping tents (or other non-permanent tents) as housed.

Mz 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness The legal definition of homeless varies from country to country, or among different jurisdictions in the same country or region.[2] The term homeless may also include people whose primary night-time residence is in a homeless shelter, a domestic violence shelter, long-term residence in a motel, a vehicle, squatting, cardboard boxes, a tent city, tarpaulins, shanty town structures made of discarded building materials or other ad hoc housing situations. According to the UK homelessness charity Crisis, a home is not just a physical space: it also provides roots, identity, security, a sense of belonging and a place of emotional wellbeing.[3] American government homeless enumeration studies[4][5] also include people who sleep in a public or private place not designed for use as a regular sleeping accommodation for human beings.
- microcolonel 9y ago
  > The term homeless may also include people whose primary night-time residence is in a homeless shelter, a domestic violence shelter, long-term residence in a motel, a vehicle, squatting, cardboard boxes, a tent city, tarpaulins, shanty town structures made of discarded building materials or other ad hoc housing situations. I fully accept this definition, I just don't consider staying with relatives or friends, or in a degraded-but-serviceable house, to be homelessness, even if you don't have any other decent choice. I'm not ecstatic with my housing choices right now. I live in a ~7m² room with no windows or ventilation, but that doesn't mean I'm anywhere near homeless.
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