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Don't these people know that they will never kill this. Just like Napster's death, and oink, and what, and so on. Every time they shut one of these down the nex

Don't these people know that they will never kill this. Just like Napster's death, and oink, and what, and so on. Every time they shut one of these down the next one will be harder to shut down.

acchow 9y ago
Huh? What's the 2017 version of Napster?
- jmcgough 9y ago
  You can freely play most songs you want now (through youtube, bandcamp, soundcloud, spotify). I don't think there needs to be a 2017 version of Napster, because music isn't locked in physical albums anymore.
- dzhiurgis 9y ago
  Soulseek
o_____________o 9y ago
Reminds me a bit of the canonical natural selection anecdote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution
xiphias 9y ago
They know, but this is their job anyways.
ceejayoz 9y ago
Of course they know that, just as murder investigators know they're never going to stop murder from happening. Hell, in Napster's case, I'd bet half the folks involved went "woohoo!" then went home to listen to some pirated music.
herbst 9y ago
You can just view it as free high quality security tests. Sucks for a lot of people. But it already got so much stronger I wonder what comes next.
dabber 9y ago
Makes me think of that quote from the begining of Money by Choking Victim[0]: >> The function is system sustaining, it is to contain that overall system, and you don't look at the particular cost. I could demonstrate to you that every single bank robbery, that in every single case, practically. The cost of the police was more than the actually money that robbers took from the bank. Does that mean OH you see theres no really no economic interest involved then. They're not protecting the banks, the police are just doing this because they're on a power trip, or they're macho, or ah they're control freaks, that's why they do it. NO of course it's an economic, of course they're defending the banks, of course, because if they didn't stop that bank robbery, regardless of the cost, this could jeopardize the entire banking system. You see there are people who believe the function of the police is to fight crime, and that's not true, the function of the police is social control and protection of property. It's not about an end all be all it's about keeping it in check. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLBGTkLgow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLBGTkLgow
anoonmoose 9y ago
I mean, you say that, but after having oink go down on me, and more recently what, I've given up on pirating music, and I have to imagine others have done the same. You might be right about the next one being harder to shut down, maybe, but I would also expect the next one to be smaller because of the changing climate. Edit: I mean, yeah, $10/mo for unlimited streaming was a factor. There are comparisons to the drug trade there, with regards to the number of legal sources increasing over time. My point stands.
- colecut 9y ago
  The ability to stream nearly any music you want for $10/month through multiple services has probably done more for decreasing audio piracy than shutting down torrent sites.
  - akilism 9y ago
    exactly.
  - PixelB 9y ago
    This is exactly right, and the problem that our government just doesn't seem to 'get'. If you want to stop people from doing something, you can't just take away their source, they will find another.. you have to give them a BETTER source. With media, streaming services have done more to cut down in piracy than anything else.. it's convenient, so people will do it. If you're only paying a few dollars a month to save the frustration of finding movies/music, waiting to download, vs just clicking and having it right there. This is why things like Kodi were so popular, it's all about convenience. Now drugs are not movies, but similar rules apply. Say one is addicted to heroin, and suddenly their source is taken away.. do you think they will just decide "Oh well, I am done with heroin now!", no, they will find another source. If you want to REALLY make a difference, give them a better/safer source, and help them. No one says "I want to be addicted to heroin", they have issues that cause them to be dependent on the drug (often pain). We DESPERATELY need to follow the lead of other countries and start providing drug havens for addicts. So many people die in this country ever year of opiate overdoses, with the solution right in front of our eyes (look at EU countries with drug clinics), but we refuse to do anything about it because our antiquated dinosaur politicians are afraid they will look like they support drug use; how they appear to the 1% is more important to them than saving tens of thousands of lives every year.
blubb-fish 9y ago
maybe that's the point - somehow also those people have to justify their paycheck until they retire.

Don't these people know that they will never kill this. Just like Napster's death, and oink, and what, and so on. Every time they shut one of these down the next one will be harder to shut down.

acchow 9y ago

Huh? What's the 2017 version of Napster?

jmcgough 9y ago
You can freely play most songs you want now (through youtube, bandcamp, soundcloud, spotify). I don't think there needs to be a 2017 version of Napster, because music isn't locked in physical albums anymore.
dzhiurgis 9y ago
Soulseek

o_____________o 9y ago

Reminds me a bit of the canonical natural selection anecdote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

xiphias 9y ago

They know, but this is their job anyways.

ceejayoz 9y ago

Of course they know that, just as murder investigators know they're never going to stop murder from happening. Hell, in Napster's case, I'd bet half the folks involved went "woohoo!" then went home to listen to some pirated music.

herbst 9y ago

You can just view it as free high quality security tests. Sucks for a lot of people. But it already got so much stronger I wonder what comes next.

dabber 9y ago

Makes me think of that quote from the begining of Money by Choking Victim[0]: >> The function is system sustaining, it is to contain that overall system, and you don't look at the particular cost. I could demonstrate to you that every single bank robbery, that in every single case, practically. The cost of the police was more than the actually money that robbers took from the bank. Does that mean OH you see theres no really no economic interest involved then. They're not protecting the banks, the police are just doing this because they're on a power trip, or they're macho, or ah they're control freaks, that's why they do it. NO of course it's an economic, of course they're defending the banks, of course, because if they didn't stop that bank robbery, regardless of the cost, this could jeopardize the entire banking system. You see there are people who believe the function of the police is to fight crime, and that's not true, the function of the police is social control and protection of property. It's not about an end all be all it's about keeping it in check. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLBGTkLgow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDLBGTkLgow

anoonmoose 9y ago

I mean, you say that, but after having oink go down on me, and more recently what, I've given up on pirating music, and I have to imagine others have done the same. You might be right about the next one being harder to shut down, maybe, but I would also expect the next one to be smaller because of the changing climate. Edit: I mean, yeah, $10/mo for unlimited streaming was a factor. There are comparisons to the drug trade there, with regards to the number of legal sources increasing over time. My point stands.

colecut 9y ago
The ability to stream nearly any music you want for $10/month through multiple services has probably done more for decreasing audio piracy than shutting down torrent sites.
- akilism 9y ago
  exactly.
- PixelB 9y ago
  This is exactly right, and the problem that our government just doesn't seem to 'get'. If you want to stop people from doing something, you can't just take away their source, they will find another.. you have to give them a BETTER source. With media, streaming services have done more to cut down in piracy than anything else.. it's convenient, so people will do it. If you're only paying a few dollars a month to save the frustration of finding movies/music, waiting to download, vs just clicking and having it right there. This is why things like Kodi were so popular, it's all about convenience. Now drugs are not movies, but similar rules apply. Say one is addicted to heroin, and suddenly their source is taken away.. do you think they will just decide "Oh well, I am done with heroin now!", no, they will find another source. If you want to REALLY make a difference, give them a better/safer source, and help them. No one says "I want to be addicted to heroin", they have issues that cause them to be dependent on the drug (often pain). We DESPERATELY need to follow the lead of other countries and start providing drug havens for addicts. So many people die in this country ever year of opiate overdoses, with the solution right in front of our eyes (look at EU countries with drug clinics), but we refuse to do anything about it because our antiquated dinosaur politicians are afraid they will look like they support drug use; how they appear to the 1% is more important to them than saving tens of thousands of lives every year.

blubb-fish 9y ago

maybe that's the point - somehow also those people have to justify their paycheck until they retire.