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> Some 10,000 foreign addresses of Hansa Market buyers were passed on to Europol. That's really bad, because not all countries are Holland, which is famous for
by delegate 9y ago
> Some 10,000 foreign addresses of Hansa Market buyers were passed on to Europol.
That's really bad, because not all countries are Holland, which is famous for its 'relaxed' attitude towards drugs in general, so
some users might have their lives turned around by this - followed, arrested, jailed, extorted, etc.
- ipnon 9y agoIt would be interesting to compare damages caused by the release of this information versus damages caused by the production, sale, and usage of the drugs themselves.
- GordonS 9y agoHow would you measure either?
- rhizome 9y agoI think they were saying it more as a thought experiment.
- ipnon 9y agoYou could measure in deaths, lost productivity, or effect on tax revenue, any sort of typical economic measure really.
- nextlevelwizard 9y agoWell, the cartels have already caused their part and would have done it regardless, now normal people will get in trouble, possibly lose their jobs and get their lives ruined for basically no reason.
- mfoy_ 9y agoTo be fair... If you commit a crime, you have to expect there's a risk of being caught and punished. So how is this "really bad", except from the POV of the users who may face repercussions?
- madez 9y agoEverybody has the right to expect a fair and reasonable treatment and punishment. If that can't be guaranteed it might be imperative to not share the identity, because sharing it would imply another injustice without righting any other.
- mfoy_ 9y agoI mean... if they released the addresses publicly, sure. But they just passed them along to Interpol...
- zo1 9y agoAnd interpol would do what with them? Probably pass them along to the police-services of the respective countries that these people live in. Some countries execute people for drug possession alone.
- mfoy_ 9y agoWell at no point does that chain of events trigger a public witch hunt. Interpol now faces an ethical / moral / legal dilemma of how to proceed, but passing the addresses _up_ to Interpol was not a mistake. Now, if Interpol was to share the addresses with a country which they knew had cruel and unusual punishments for the alleged crimes then _that_ would be a mistake.
- joosters 9y agoThat would be a great reason not to order drugs online from these countries then. Whether or not you approve of the law, you have to realise that you are putting yourself at risk if you are breaking the law.
- zo1 9y agoI'm specifically mentioning it from the interpol-level. They would at that point be essentially handing-down a death-sentence for a crime that they don't view as being that serious.
- abrkn 9y agoThere's still no proof of payment. How could you win the case? I could easily order drugs to someone I don't like.
- pero 9y agoBlockchain analysis can tie transactions with KYC'd identities. http://www.sandia.gov/news/publications/labnews/articles/2016/19-08/bitcoin.html http://www.sandia.gov/news/publications/labnews/articles/201... https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7xz35e/us-law-enforcement-have-spent-hundreds-of-thousands-on-bitcoin-tracking-tools https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/7xz35e/us-law-enf... http://www.coindesk.com/elliptic-partners-with-risk-controls-firm-on-bitcoin-analysis/ http://www.coindesk.com/elliptic-partners-with-risk-controls...
- Havoc 9y agoIf your BTC is KYC'd then you're doing something very wrong...