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> After iOS 10.3.0 silently converted all iOS devices from HFS to APFS (!) (and not only was this not specified in the user-visible changelogs Are you suggesti

> After iOS 10.3.0 silently converted all iOS devices from HFS to APFS (!) (and not only was this not specified in the user-visible changelogs Are you suggesting Apple didn't disclose APFS was coming to 10.3? There was plenty of media coverage ahead of time (e.g. https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/21/what-is-apples-upcoming-apfs-apple-file-system-and-what-it-means-to-you/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/03/21/what-is-apples-upcoming-apfs-...), and it's specifically mentioned in the 10.3 release notes.

urda 9y ago
It was absolutely disclosed all over, so I'm not sure if this is simply the commentor being wrong (most likely) or a weak jab at Apple. https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/General/RN-iOSSDK-10.3/index.html https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/Gen...
- sixstringtheory 9y ago
  Those release notes are intended for their developer audience, not the general end user base. Parent was pointing out that the actual release notes Apple shows you on the device you're about to upgrade did not mention APFS.
  - reaperducer 9y ago
    The general audience doesn't even know that its phone has a file system, let alone care whether it's HFS, HPFS, APFS, or CP/M. You're complaining that Apple didn't disclose something that only developers care about to the masses.
    - 0x0 9y ago
      Then at least we can agree that a fairly major operation such as converting the entire disk between file systems in a "minor" update wasn't disclosed to the masses, and I think that fact (and that it worked out quite well, apparently, besides the normalization shenanigans) is interesting it its own right.
      - otterley 9y ago
        I think it's important to distinguish a major change from an impactful one. The APFS change is major, but not necessarily impactful in any meaningful sense to users. Apple's not the kind of company that's going to emphasize non-impactful changes to its customer base.
        0x0 9y ago
        I'm not sure I agree with that, obviously this seems to cause trouble if you have file names with non-ascii characters in them already, and who knows what else could have gone awry. But let's agree to disagree in that case :)
        Sidnicious 9y ago
        0x0 (since this thread has hit the reply depth limit): The filesystem on iOS isn’t exposed to users, so I would guess that Apple considers it a strictly developer-facing change.
        0x0 9y ago
        That's not necessarily true. It's easy to build an app where you prompt for the user's text input to construct a filename for saving a document/picture for example. NSDocumentDirectory is very much still the recommended place to store persistent user data on iOS. Imagine any non-English speaking person entering a non-ascii name for their document. As another example, imagine Dropbox.app syncing files from the dropbox cloud reusing explicit filenames into the app's sandboxed Application Support/Library/Documents folders. I have no if they do this but if they do this could spell trouble. Or simply any app supporting iTunes File Sharing, allowing users to drag files from their mac into the app container's NSDocumentDirectory directly. Edit: Interested in hearing counterarguments instead of downvotes, thanks? :-/
        vvhn 9y ago
        >Imagine any non-English speaking person entering a non-ascii name for their document You mean there are people in Europe, China, Japan, India running into widespread problems when they create filenames in their own language in iOS 10.3+ ?
0x0 9y ago
I don't think it was mentioned anywhere in the end-user facing "software update" changelog - if this is the right source https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1893?locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1893?locale=en_US - but you are right that it was mentioned in the developer SDK release notes https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/General/RN-iOSSDK-10.3/index.html https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/Gen...
- Aloha 9y ago
  This makes sense to me - why would the user care what kind of filesystem their phones have - developers might - but when you cant choose the filesystem anyhow, what does it matter if the default changes.
Tanegashima 9y ago
He’s totally wrong, but it’s too comment. Android fantards take every forum, and it’s spring break time and they have no life, so no friends or no girlfriend.

urda 9y ago

It was absolutely disclosed all over, so I'm not sure if this is simply the commentor being wrong (most likely) or a weak jab at Apple. https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/General/RN-iOSSDK-10.3/index.html https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/Gen...

sixstringtheory 9y ago
Those release notes are intended for their developer audience, not the general end user base. Parent was pointing out that the actual release notes Apple shows you on the device you're about to upgrade did not mention APFS.
- reaperducer 9y ago
  The general audience doesn't even know that its phone has a file system, let alone care whether it's HFS, HPFS, APFS, or CP/M. You're complaining that Apple didn't disclose something that only developers care about to the masses.
  - 0x0 9y ago
    Then at least we can agree that a fairly major operation such as converting the entire disk between file systems in a "minor" update wasn't disclosed to the masses, and I think that fact (and that it worked out quite well, apparently, besides the normalization shenanigans) is interesting it its own right.
    - otterley 9y ago
      I think it's important to distinguish a major change from an impactful one. The APFS change is major, but not necessarily impactful in any meaningful sense to users. Apple's not the kind of company that's going to emphasize non-impactful changes to its customer base.
      - 0x0 9y ago
        I'm not sure I agree with that, obviously this seems to cause trouble if you have file names with non-ascii characters in them already, and who knows what else could have gone awry. But let's agree to disagree in that case :)
      - Sidnicious 9y ago
        0x0 (since this thread has hit the reply depth limit): The filesystem on iOS isn’t exposed to users, so I would guess that Apple considers it a strictly developer-facing change.
        0x0 9y ago
        That's not necessarily true. It's easy to build an app where you prompt for the user's text input to construct a filename for saving a document/picture for example. NSDocumentDirectory is very much still the recommended place to store persistent user data on iOS. Imagine any non-English speaking person entering a non-ascii name for their document. As another example, imagine Dropbox.app syncing files from the dropbox cloud reusing explicit filenames into the app's sandboxed Application Support/Library/Documents folders. I have no if they do this but if they do this could spell trouble. Or simply any app supporting iTunes File Sharing, allowing users to drag files from their mac into the app container's NSDocumentDirectory directly. Edit: Interested in hearing counterarguments instead of downvotes, thanks? :-/
        vvhn 9y ago
        >Imagine any non-English speaking person entering a non-ascii name for their document You mean there are people in Europe, China, Japan, India running into widespread problems when they create filenames in their own language in iOS 10.3+ ?

0x0 9y ago

I don't think it was mentioned anywhere in the end-user facing "software update" changelog - if this is the right source https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1893?locale=en_US https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1893?locale=en_US - but you are right that it was mentioned in the developer SDK release notes https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/General/RN-iOSSDK-10.3/index.html https://developer.apple.com/library/content/releasenotes/Gen...

Aloha 9y ago
This makes sense to me - why would the user care what kind of filesystem their phones have - developers might - but when you cant choose the filesystem anyhow, what does it matter if the default changes.

Tanegashima 9y ago

He’s totally wrong, but it’s too comment. Android fantards take every forum, and it’s spring break time and they have no life, so no friends or no girlfriend.