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I recall even the standalone flash installer coming with Chrome bundled (or at least pushing for it) at one point.

kibwen 9y ago
Indeed, I'll never forget how my first exposure to Chrome came as a result of updating Flash and finding that it had not only installed Chrome, but set it as my default browser. That was the day that I began weaning myself off of Google services (still don't know if I'll ever make it off of Gmail, though...).
- cpeterso 9y ago
  The irony is that Chrome bundles (Pepper) Flash, so a Firefox user would download the Flash installer, which downloads the NPAPI Flash plugin, Chrome, and Chrome's Pepper Flash plugin. The NPAPI Flash plugin would be downloaded but never used after the Flash installer changed the user's default browser to Chrome.
  - Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
    Flash is now significantly broken on Firefox under Ubuntu anyway (Bugzilla #1374559) and it's been classified as a wontfix (P5), so continuing the irony, downloading Chrome is probably closer to what the user wanted to do.
    - kibwen 9y ago
      > closer to what the user wanted to do This happened years and years ago, and it wasn't long after that I decided that I didn't want Flash installed on my computer ever again. :P Sad that Shumway didn't manage to pan out, though.
- Endy 9y ago
  Yahoo mail is unlimited, has a sane folder structure, and in spite of the fear-mongering, is less likely to be attacked than GMail nowadays.
- djsumdog 9y ago
  I got off Gmail back around 2013. Unfortunately it's made my e-mail even more unreliable than back when I uses Google's shitty e-mail service: http://penguindreams.org/blog/how-google-and-microsoft-made-email-unreliable/ http://penguindreams.org/blog/how-google-and-microsoft-made-...
- ionised 9y ago
  The hardest part about switching from Gmail is simply the time it takes to migrate all your accounts over to the new address. Some providers offer a switching service though. My three email providers don't (Kolab, Posteo, Autistici) but the few hours I spent changing my email addresses everywhere was worth it. Gmail really doesn't offer anything you'll miss once you make the switch.

Indeed, I'll never forget how my first exposure to Chrome came as a result of updating Flash and finding that it had not only installed Chrome, but set it as my default browser. That was the day that I began weaning myself off of Google services (still don't know if I'll ever make it off of Gmail, though...).

cpeterso 9y ago
The irony is that Chrome bundles (Pepper) Flash, so a Firefox user would download the Flash installer, which downloads the NPAPI Flash plugin, Chrome, and Chrome's Pepper Flash plugin. The NPAPI Flash plugin would be downloaded but never used after the Flash installer changed the user's default browser to Chrome.
- Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
  Flash is now significantly broken on Firefox under Ubuntu anyway (Bugzilla #1374559) and it's been classified as a wontfix (P5), so continuing the irony, downloading Chrome is probably closer to what the user wanted to do.
  - kibwen 9y ago
    > closer to what the user wanted to do This happened years and years ago, and it wasn't long after that I decided that I didn't want Flash installed on my computer ever again. :P Sad that Shumway didn't manage to pan out, though.
Endy 9y ago
Yahoo mail is unlimited, has a sane folder structure, and in spite of the fear-mongering, is less likely to be attacked than GMail nowadays.
djsumdog 9y ago
I got off Gmail back around 2013. Unfortunately it's made my e-mail even more unreliable than back when I uses Google's shitty e-mail service: http://penguindreams.org/blog/how-google-and-microsoft-made-email-unreliable/ http://penguindreams.org/blog/how-google-and-microsoft-made-...
ionised 9y ago
The hardest part about switching from Gmail is simply the time it takes to migrate all your accounts over to the new address. Some providers offer a switching service though. My three email providers don't (Kolab, Posteo, Autistici) but the few hours I spent changing my email addresses everywhere was worth it. Gmail really doesn't offer anything you'll miss once you make the switch.