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>> Lol Is that your response to this? "Lol"? Nice way to have a discourse. Looks like you've made up your mind and are dismissing anything that is different w

>> Lol Is that your response to this? "Lol"? Nice way to have a discourse. Looks like you've made up your mind and are dismissing anything that is different with your opinion. >> which claim? The claim that this creates abuse potential. >> [citation required] What do I need to give you citation on? That same-sex abuse can happen? Or that sexual preferences are by default hetrosexual? Pretty sure both of those are a non-question.

kofejnik 9y ago
> Is that your response to this? "Lol"? Nice way to have a discourse. Sorry for a little childishness, but you're making preposterous claims ('gender is a spectrum'), so you have to support them. Can I claim to be a female today and use girls' shower? Would you personally be ok with that? Can I declare myself an apache attack helicopter then? > The claim that this creates abuse potential. Seriously? Feminists demonize men for inappropriate looks, but you think that shared locker rooms are not a problem?
- smt88 9y ago
  "Gender is a spectrum" isn't a preposterous claim. You may not understand the difference between gender (a social construct) and sex (a physiological issue).
  - kofejnik 9y ago
    > the difference between gender (a social construct) and sex (a physiological issue). I yet have to see a proof it actually exists
    - smt88 9y ago
      There's proof that genders exist because society has concepts of "male behavior" and "female behavior". That's easy. There's proof that sexes exist because people have different genitalia, and reproduction isn't possible without two sexes. If you're talking about a spectrum, a gender spectrum is obvious. Some people don't behave in totally traditional male or female ways (and don't want to). No one is arguing that sex is a spectrum because it's a physiological concept -- hence the difference between transgender (people whose behavior doesn't correspond with their genitals, according to social tradition) and transsexual (people whose brains don't correspond with their genitals). This is widely accepted among doctors[1]. Neuroscientists have also observed physiological differences in trans brains: > "Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity"[2] Honestly, it's frustrating to have to prove these things to you when you've clearly not spent any time looking at research. It doesn't take long to find it. 1. https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/ama-takes-several-actions-supporting-transgender-patients https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/ama-takes-several-actions... 2. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-somethin...
- aaomidi 9y ago
  > Can I claim to be a female today and use girls' shower? Yes, if you absolutely believe you are a female then yes. I don't believe you using a girl's shower means you're abusive. I don't think I have the right to take away your freedom to be who you want. > Seriously? Feminists demonize men for inappropriate looks, but you think that shared locker rooms are not a problem? Do you not think this is a blanket statement? Who do you see as the manifestation of feminists? Feminism is a vast movement. Judging an entire group because of a vocal minority is kinda like saying muslims are terrorists because of 9/11, London, etc (this isn't my argument, but I'm just saying how absurd it sounds to make a blanket statement against an entire group)
- Sprocklem 9y ago
  > Sorry for a little childishness, but you're making preposterous claims ('gender is a spectrum') Almost nothing is black and white in nature. The claim that something as complex as the brain would result in a single binary value for something as intricate (and pervasive) as gender identity seems significantly less likely than their claim.

kofejnik 9y ago

> Is that your response to this? "Lol"? Nice way to have a discourse. Sorry for a little childishness, but you're making preposterous claims ('gender is a spectrum'), so you have to support them. Can I claim to be a female today and use girls' shower? Would you personally be ok with that? Can I declare myself an apache attack helicopter then? > The claim that this creates abuse potential. Seriously? Feminists demonize men for inappropriate looks, but you think that shared locker rooms are not a problem?

smt88 9y ago
"Gender is a spectrum" isn't a preposterous claim. You may not understand the difference between gender (a social construct) and sex (a physiological issue).
- kofejnik 9y ago
  > the difference between gender (a social construct) and sex (a physiological issue). I yet have to see a proof it actually exists
  - smt88 9y ago
    There's proof that genders exist because society has concepts of "male behavior" and "female behavior". That's easy. There's proof that sexes exist because people have different genitalia, and reproduction isn't possible without two sexes. If you're talking about a spectrum, a gender spectrum is obvious. Some people don't behave in totally traditional male or female ways (and don't want to). No one is arguing that sex is a spectrum because it's a physiological concept -- hence the difference between transgender (people whose behavior doesn't correspond with their genitals, according to social tradition) and transsexual (people whose brains don't correspond with their genitals). This is widely accepted among doctors[1]. Neuroscientists have also observed physiological differences in trans brains: > "Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity"[2] Honestly, it's frustrating to have to prove these things to you when you've clearly not spent any time looking at research. It doesn't take long to find it. 1. https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/ama-takes-several-actions-supporting-transgender-patients https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/ama-takes-several-actions... 2. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-somethin...
aaomidi 9y ago
> Can I claim to be a female today and use girls' shower? Yes, if you absolutely believe you are a female then yes. I don't believe you using a girl's shower means you're abusive. I don't think I have the right to take away your freedom to be who you want. > Seriously? Feminists demonize men for inappropriate looks, but you think that shared locker rooms are not a problem? Do you not think this is a blanket statement? Who do you see as the manifestation of feminists? Feminism is a vast movement. Judging an entire group because of a vocal minority is kinda like saying muslims are terrorists because of 9/11, London, etc (this isn't my argument, but I'm just saying how absurd it sounds to make a blanket statement against an entire group)
Sprocklem 9y ago
> Sorry for a little childishness, but you're making preposterous claims ('gender is a spectrum') Almost nothing is black and white in nature. The claim that something as complex as the brain would result in a single binary value for something as intricate (and pervasive) as gender identity seems significantly less likely than their claim.