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And /r/the_donald would say just the opposite. The thing about propaganda – why it works so well – is that it's presented as authentic civil discourse. There's

And /r/the_donald would say just the opposite. The thing about propaganda – why it works so well – is that it's presented as authentic civil discourse. There's no clear cut demarcation between the two types of speech. One could argue that /r/the_donald uses the banhammer to maintain order (the narrative), and /r/politics uses shill comments+downvoting to do the same.

52-6F-62 9y ago
What you just described sounds to me like an authoritarian court versus a democratic forum. That is, excepting the "shill" name-calling -- it leads me to believe that you are in fact speaking on behalf of r/the_donald. If that's true, then I know why the term was used. If not, what leads you to believe that anybody involved in discussion in r/politics are "shills".
- rdtsc 9y ago
  > If not, what leads you to believe that anybody involved in discussion in r/politics are "shills". Because Hillary had hired people to do exactly that: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-snap-htmlstory.html http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolli... http://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook http://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-mill... Remember someone leaked a private Slack chat of Reddit admins where one was boasting of receiving their CTR check.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    I think you're reaching a little here. The parent comment stated that r/politics uses shill comments and down votes as a control measure to align with a narrative. If that is true, supported by the articles you referenced: -- r/politics has over 3 million subscribers, with an average of 30 - 40 active users during the daytime. -- if every one of those users was a "shill" commenter then every single one would have earned $0.30 for their efforts. That's not counting other forms of social media. I have to admit some skepticism toward the assertion that the entire subreddit is a controlled narrative. Instead, it seems that there will be those who adamantly support the people they're paid to support, and that those users are in the minimum. Instead I think it's just a general consensus what the popular ideals are in there vs. r/t_d. Besides, not sure if you've been around there much but I certainly don't see much love lost for HC.
deadmik3 9y ago
> The thing about propaganda – why it works so well – is that it's presented as authentic civil discourse. so many people don't realize this. if you can tell it's propaganda on the face, it's shitty propaganda.

52-6F-62 9y ago

What you just described sounds to me like an authoritarian court versus a democratic forum. That is, excepting the "shill" name-calling -- it leads me to believe that you are in fact speaking on behalf of r/the_donald. If that's true, then I know why the term was used. If not, what leads you to believe that anybody involved in discussion in r/politics are "shills".

rdtsc 9y ago
> If not, what leads you to believe that anybody involved in discussion in r/politics are "shills". Because Hillary had hired people to do exactly that: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolling-20160506-snap-htmlstory.html http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-clinton-digital-trolli... http://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook http://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-pac-spends-dollar1-mill... Remember someone leaked a private Slack chat of Reddit admins where one was boasting of receiving their CTR check.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  I think you're reaching a little here. The parent comment stated that r/politics uses shill comments and down votes as a control measure to align with a narrative. If that is true, supported by the articles you referenced: -- r/politics has over 3 million subscribers, with an average of 30 - 40 active users during the daytime. -- if every one of those users was a "shill" commenter then every single one would have earned $0.30 for their efforts. That's not counting other forms of social media. I have to admit some skepticism toward the assertion that the entire subreddit is a controlled narrative. Instead, it seems that there will be those who adamantly support the people they're paid to support, and that those users are in the minimum. Instead I think it's just a general consensus what the popular ideals are in there vs. r/t_d. Besides, not sure if you've been around there much but I certainly don't see much love lost for HC.

deadmik3 9y ago

> The thing about propaganda – why it works so well – is that it's presented as authentic civil discourse. so many people don't realize this. if you can tell it's propaganda on the face, it's shitty propaganda.