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The alt-right is a small fringe movement with outsized presence in election post-mortems due to their visibility on digital platforms used by journalists and bloggers. Trump voters were (mostly) Romney voters.[1] Clinton lost by failing to galvanize voters who turned out for Obama in prior elections[2] and neglecting to campaign in Rustbelt states.[3] [1] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trump... [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/omribenshahar/2016/11/17/the-non-voters-who-decided-the-election-trump-won-because-of-lower-democratic-turnout/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/omribenshahar/2016/11/17/the-no... [3] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/trumps-road-to-victory/507203/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/trumps-...

gremlinsinc 9y ago
Clinton lost because the DNC cheated to get her where she was in the first place... She was supposed to be the candidate that could never lose, and Bernie Or Bust isn't a real thing... Sure as heck was, I know Bernie supporters who voted Trump out of spite (mostly the independents) -- I wrote Bernie in personally, because I'd rather see the shit storm that is Trump -- piss people off so badly and ruin the entire reputation of the Republican party that progressive politics will come back in full force in 4 years. Than see clinton in office starting more wars we don't need and doing more regime change and taking money from special interests. There's a real hatred for the elite class right now in America, some idiots thought Trump was that answer but he IS an elite. Bernie was the answer but the DNC thought they could quash him, now he's the most popular member of congress - and more progressives are running and winning than ever before. 2020 will be interesting to see if he runs again, if he does he'll probably be the next president. Even Nate Silver has said that Bernie is currently the front-runner for 2020 much as Clinton was in 2013.
- crispyambulance 9y ago
  Bernie will be nearing 80 years of age by then, making it iffy that he will even survive his first term. We're more likely to see Elizabeth Warren run, IMHO.
- s73ver 9y ago
  "Clinton lost because the DNC cheated to get her where she was in the first place" They absolutely did not. There was absolutely no evidence of such things happening. There was no mass conspiracy. Seriously, more Democrats wanted Clinton than Bernie. That's why she won. Get over it.
- wcarron 9y ago
  > Clinton lost because the DNC cheater to get her where she was in the first place There is no grand conspiracy. Stop kidding yourself. More Democrats preferred Hillary over Bernie. End of story. The reason is obvious: Bernie Sanders is not a democrat. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. He joined the Democratic party solely for a larger support base and because the Democrats align more with his ideals than Republicans do. It is absolutely no surprise that the DNC establishment preferred an establishment candidate who had long been a prominent member of the party. Not some coat-tail hanger-on using the predominantly liberal base of a party that he only nominally belongs to. He does not represent the interests (arguably) of the majority of the Democratic party voters. That's why he lost.
  - gremlinsinc 9y ago
    So you're sayin no Bernie or Bust movement existed? Because there was a petition w/ at least 100k signatures of people who were #BernieOrBust.. do you think 100K votes mattered at all in the last election cycle? Do you think many people who were pro-bernie and never vote for clinton might be closet Bernie or Bust, or vote Trump, or Jill Stein? I'm guessing for every outspoken Bernie/Bust person there were 2-3 more people who voted 3rd party or abstained...as a result... It was an ugly primary, and if you don't think the DNC cheated then you haven't watched any of the news... DNC chair was fired because of it, CNN anchor got in hot water for GIVING CLinton the questions to the debate before hand... that's not conspiracy because it's fact...

gremlinsinc 9y ago

Clinton lost because the DNC cheated to get her where she was in the first place... She was supposed to be the candidate that could never lose, and Bernie Or Bust isn't a real thing... Sure as heck was, I know Bernie supporters who voted Trump out of spite (mostly the independents) -- I wrote Bernie in personally, because I'd rather see the shit storm that is Trump -- piss people off so badly and ruin the entire reputation of the Republican party that progressive politics will come back in full force in 4 years. Than see clinton in office starting more wars we don't need and doing more regime change and taking money from special interests. There's a real hatred for the elite class right now in America, some idiots thought Trump was that answer but he IS an elite. Bernie was the answer but the DNC thought they could quash him, now he's the most popular member of congress - and more progressives are running and winning than ever before. 2020 will be interesting to see if he runs again, if he does he'll probably be the next president. Even Nate Silver has said that Bernie is currently the front-runner for 2020 much as Clinton was in 2013.

crispyambulance 9y ago
Bernie will be nearing 80 years of age by then, making it iffy that he will even survive his first term. We're more likely to see Elizabeth Warren run, IMHO.
s73ver 9y ago
"Clinton lost because the DNC cheated to get her where she was in the first place" They absolutely did not. There was absolutely no evidence of such things happening. There was no mass conspiracy. Seriously, more Democrats wanted Clinton than Bernie. That's why she won. Get over it.
wcarron 9y ago
> Clinton lost because the DNC cheater to get her where she was in the first place There is no grand conspiracy. Stop kidding yourself. More Democrats preferred Hillary over Bernie. End of story. The reason is obvious: Bernie Sanders is not a democrat. Bernie Sanders is a democratic socialist. He joined the Democratic party solely for a larger support base and because the Democrats align more with his ideals than Republicans do. It is absolutely no surprise that the DNC establishment preferred an establishment candidate who had long been a prominent member of the party. Not some coat-tail hanger-on using the predominantly liberal base of a party that he only nominally belongs to. He does not represent the interests (arguably) of the majority of the Democratic party voters. That's why he lost.
- gremlinsinc 9y ago
  So you're sayin no Bernie or Bust movement existed? Because there was a petition w/ at least 100k signatures of people who were #BernieOrBust.. do you think 100K votes mattered at all in the last election cycle? Do you think many people who were pro-bernie and never vote for clinton might be closet Bernie or Bust, or vote Trump, or Jill Stein? I'm guessing for every outspoken Bernie/Bust person there were 2-3 more people who voted 3rd party or abstained...as a result... It was an ugly primary, and if you don't think the DNC cheated then you haven't watched any of the news... DNC chair was fired because of it, CNN anchor got in hot water for GIVING CLinton the questions to the debate before hand... that's not conspiracy because it's fact...