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"The available data indicates the aircraft entered the sea close to a long, narrow arc in the southern Indian Ocean, the 7th Arc." "indicates". If it did enter

"The available data indicates the aircraft entered the sea close to a long, narrow arc in the southern Indian Ocean, the 7th Arc." "indicates". If it did enter the sea along this arc, wouldn't they have found it? Perhaps the assumption is wrong? Where is the working showing the calculation of this arc? Where is the peer review and discussion of this work calculating this arc? As far as I know it has never been released (correct me if I'm wrong) and the arc has all the hallmarks of a wild goose chase.

adekok 9y ago
> If it did enter the sea along this arc, wouldn't they have found it? Perhaps you're unclear on how large the ocean is, how deep the sea floor is, how rugged the sea floor is, and how little we know about it... even with all of the scanning done. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that MH370 fell and was covered by a landslide, or fell into a crevasse, or one of many other things. It's not like the sea floor is a large flat plain with a shiny metal object sitting on top.
- retrogradeorbit 9y ago
  You should always question assumptions. Especially when millions of dollars are being spent searching. Do you have the data, the calculation of this arc, and the review of this method or not? Do you think its strange that all the debris has washed up on the opposite side of the Indian ocean to this arc?
  - mikeash 9y ago
    The debris took a long time to appear. That fits perfectly well a scenario where the plane crashed on one side of the ocean and the debris washed up on the other side.
  - adekok 9y ago
    > Do you have the data, the calculation of this arc, and the review of this method or not I don't, and neither do you. But appeals to ignorance are a well-known logical fallacy. My point (which you missed), is that it is entirely reasonable to think that the search is difficult, with a small chance of success. You don't argue with my points, because you can't. They're all 100% true, and you know it. Instead, you play the conspiracy thinking game of pushing false doubts into the narrative. > Do you think its strange that all the debris has washed up on the opposite side of the Indian ocean to this arc? i.e. you're entirely unaware as to how oceans work. This is normal for oceans. So you deny reality, and instead pretend to be skeptical by raising irrelevant details. No, you're not smarter than everyone else. No, there is no conspiracy to hide the evidence.
  - Splines 9y ago
    > Do you think its strange that all the debris has washed up on the opposite side of the Indian ocean to this arc? Did you RTFA? There's a simulation near the end that sanity checks the crash arc with where the debris washed up on the east coast of Africa. "Using the locations of confirmed debris, the Australian Government’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation, the CSIRO, conducted drift modelling analysis to determine possible locations of the MH370 crash site. The results of this modelling were consistent with the search area."
grkvlt 9y ago
Yes, it has been published. See Inmarsat's post on their reasoning, based on AAIB data at [0] and the WIki page [1] also has a good summary. The peer reviewed paper [2] by Inmarsat is also available from the Journal of Navigation. 0. https://www.inmarsat.com/news/malaysian-government-publishes-mh370-details-uk-aaib/ https://www.inmarsat.com/news/malaysian-government-publishes... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_satellite_communications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_Malaysia_Airlines_... 2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-navigation/article/search-for-mh370/D2D1C4C99E7BFDE35841CFD70081114A# https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-navigatio...

adekok 9y ago

> If it did enter the sea along this arc, wouldn't they have found it? Perhaps you're unclear on how large the ocean is, how deep the sea floor is, how rugged the sea floor is, and how little we know about it... even with all of the scanning done. It's entirely within the realm of possibility that MH370 fell and was covered by a landslide, or fell into a crevasse, or one of many other things. It's not like the sea floor is a large flat plain with a shiny metal object sitting on top.

retrogradeorbit 9y ago
You should always question assumptions. Especially when millions of dollars are being spent searching. Do you have the data, the calculation of this arc, and the review of this method or not? Do you think its strange that all the debris has washed up on the opposite side of the Indian ocean to this arc?
- mikeash 9y ago
  The debris took a long time to appear. That fits perfectly well a scenario where the plane crashed on one side of the ocean and the debris washed up on the other side.
- adekok 9y ago
  > Do you have the data, the calculation of this arc, and the review of this method or not I don't, and neither do you. But appeals to ignorance are a well-known logical fallacy. My point (which you missed), is that it is entirely reasonable to think that the search is difficult, with a small chance of success. You don't argue with my points, because you can't. They're all 100% true, and you know it. Instead, you play the conspiracy thinking game of pushing false doubts into the narrative. > Do you think its strange that all the debris has washed up on the opposite side of the Indian ocean to this arc? i.e. you're entirely unaware as to how oceans work. This is normal for oceans. So you deny reality, and instead pretend to be skeptical by raising irrelevant details. No, you're not smarter than everyone else. No, there is no conspiracy to hide the evidence.
- Splines 9y ago
  > Do you think its strange that all the debris has washed up on the opposite side of the Indian ocean to this arc? Did you RTFA? There's a simulation near the end that sanity checks the crash arc with where the debris washed up on the east coast of Africa. "Using the locations of confirmed debris, the Australian Government’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation, the CSIRO, conducted drift modelling analysis to determine possible locations of the MH370 crash site. The results of this modelling were consistent with the search area."

grkvlt 9y ago

Yes, it has been published. See Inmarsat's post on their reasoning, based on AAIB data at [0] and the WIki page [1] also has a good summary. The peer reviewed paper [2] by Inmarsat is also available from the Journal of Navigation. 0. https://www.inmarsat.com/news/malaysian-government-publishes-mh370-details-uk-aaib/ https://www.inmarsat.com/news/malaysian-government-publishes... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370_satellite_communications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analysis_of_Malaysia_Airlines_... 2. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-navigation/article/search-for-mh370/D2D1C4C99E7BFDE35841CFD70081114A# https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-navigatio...