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I honestly cannot tell if you're being serious now

aaomidi 9y ago
Why? Gender is a spectrum and you can fall anywhere on this spectrum. It is also not biological, it can change anytime and multiple times. As dragonwriter put it earlier, your claim relies on two fundamental assumptions that are plain incorrect.
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- ljlkajlkdj 9y ago
  Are you defining gender, or mental disorders? Because "not biological, it can change anytime" sounds more like the latter.
  - aaomidi 9y ago
    What do you define as a mental disorder? Anything that differs from the norm? How do you define the norm? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity Even if it is, as you put it, a mental disorder, let's not use that as an excuse to dismiss it, alright?
    - 9j9j9j 9y ago
      Even if we consider Wikipedia credible source (which is already a stretch) then the article you linked says nothing about gender being "not biogical" and "changing anytime".
- kofejnik 9y ago
  >> Gender is a spectrum Lol >> It is also not biological, it can change anytime and multiple times. Too bad 15 y.o. me missed that and didn't get to shower with the girls. >> your claim which claim? >> two fundamental assumptions that are plain incorrect. [citation required]
  - aaomidi 9y ago
    >> Lol Is that your response to this? "Lol"? Nice way to have a discourse. Looks like you've made up your mind and are dismissing anything that is different with your opinion. >> which claim? The claim that this creates abuse potential. >> [citation required] What do I need to give you citation on? That same-sex abuse can happen? Or that sexual preferences are by default hetrosexual? Pretty sure both of those are a non-question.
    - kofejnik 9y ago
      > Is that your response to this? "Lol"? Nice way to have a discourse. Sorry for a little childishness, but you're making preposterous claims ('gender is a spectrum'), so you have to support them. Can I claim to be a female today and use girls' shower? Would you personally be ok with that? Can I declare myself an apache attack helicopter then? > The claim that this creates abuse potential. Seriously? Feminists demonize men for inappropriate looks, but you think that shared locker rooms are not a problem?
      - smt88 9y ago
        "Gender is a spectrum" isn't a preposterous claim. You may not understand the difference between gender (a social construct) and sex (a physiological issue).
        kofejnik 9y ago
        > the difference between gender (a social construct) and sex (a physiological issue). I yet have to see a proof it actually exists
        smt88 9y ago
        There's proof that genders exist because society has concepts of "male behavior" and "female behavior". That's easy. There's proof that sexes exist because people have different genitalia, and reproduction isn't possible without two sexes. If you're talking about a spectrum, a gender spectrum is obvious. Some people don't behave in totally traditional male or female ways (and don't want to). No one is arguing that sex is a spectrum because it's a physiological concept -- hence the difference between transgender (people whose behavior doesn't correspond with their genitals, according to social tradition) and transsexual (people whose brains don't correspond with their genitals). This is widely accepted among doctors[1]. Neuroscientists have also observed physiological differences in trans brains: > "Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity"[2] Honestly, it's frustrating to have to prove these things to you when you've clearly not spent any time looking at research. It doesn't take long to find it. 1. https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/ama-takes-several-actions-supporting-transgender-patients https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/ama-takes-several-actions... 2. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-somethin...

Why? Gender is a spectrum and you can fall anywhere on this spectrum. It is also not biological, it can change anytime and multiple times. As dragonwriter put it earlier, your claim relies on two fundamental assumptions that are plain incorrect.

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ljlkajlkdj 9y ago
Are you defining gender, or mental disorders? Because "not biological, it can change anytime" sounds more like the latter.
- aaomidi 9y ago
  What do you define as a mental disorder? Anything that differs from the norm? How do you define the norm? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity Even if it is, as you put it, a mental disorder, let's not use that as an excuse to dismiss it, alright?
  - 9j9j9j 9y ago
    Even if we consider Wikipedia credible source (which is already a stretch) then the article you linked says nothing about gender being "not biogical" and "changing anytime".
kofejnik 9y ago
>> Gender is a spectrum Lol >> It is also not biological, it can change anytime and multiple times. Too bad 15 y.o. me missed that and didn't get to shower with the girls. >> your claim which claim? >> two fundamental assumptions that are plain incorrect. [citation required]
- aaomidi 9y ago
  >> Lol Is that your response to this? "Lol"? Nice way to have a discourse. Looks like you've made up your mind and are dismissing anything that is different with your opinion. >> which claim? The claim that this creates abuse potential. >> [citation required] What do I need to give you citation on? That same-sex abuse can happen? Or that sexual preferences are by default hetrosexual? Pretty sure both of those are a non-question.
  - kofejnik 9y ago
    > Is that your response to this? "Lol"? Nice way to have a discourse. Sorry for a little childishness, but you're making preposterous claims ('gender is a spectrum'), so you have to support them. Can I claim to be a female today and use girls' shower? Would you personally be ok with that? Can I declare myself an apache attack helicopter then? > The claim that this creates abuse potential. Seriously? Feminists demonize men for inappropriate looks, but you think that shared locker rooms are not a problem?
    - smt88 9y ago
      "Gender is a spectrum" isn't a preposterous claim. You may not understand the difference between gender (a social construct) and sex (a physiological issue).
      - kofejnik 9y ago
        > the difference between gender (a social construct) and sex (a physiological issue). I yet have to see a proof it actually exists
        smt88 9y ago
        There's proof that genders exist because society has concepts of "male behavior" and "female behavior". That's easy. There's proof that sexes exist because people have different genitalia, and reproduction isn't possible without two sexes. If you're talking about a spectrum, a gender spectrum is obvious. Some people don't behave in totally traditional male or female ways (and don't want to). No one is arguing that sex is a spectrum because it's a physiological concept -- hence the difference between transgender (people whose behavior doesn't correspond with their genitals, according to social tradition) and transsexual (people whose brains don't correspond with their genitals). This is widely accepted among doctors[1]. Neuroscientists have also observed physiological differences in trans brains: > "Imaging studies and other research suggest that there is a biological basis for transgender identity"[2] Honestly, it's frustrating to have to prove these things to you when you've clearly not spent any time looking at research. It doesn't take long to find it. 1. https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/ama-takes-several-actions-supporting-transgender-patients https://wire.ama-assn.org/ama-news/ama-takes-several-actions... 2. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-somethin...