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> The best numbers I could find was ~60% for Sweden A year later (October 2016, rather than October 2015): 66.4% https://www.pts.se/sv/Nyheter/Pressmeddelande

> The best numbers I could find was ~60% for Sweden A year later (October 2016, rather than October 2015): 66.4% https://www.pts.se/sv/Nyheter/Pressmeddelanden/2017/Sju-av-tio-har-snabbt-bredband-till-foljd-av-fortsatt-fiberutbyggnad/ https://www.pts.se/sv/Nyheter/Pressmeddelanden/2017/Sju-av-t...

rayiner 9y ago
Looks like there was a big jump in Sweden in the last couple of years, it was under 40% in 2014: https://www.cnet.com/news/fast-fiber-optic-broadband-spreads-across-developed-world https://www.cnet.com/news/fast-fiber-optic-broadband-spreads.... I've corrected my post.
- Retric 9y ago
  Still wrong. "the Netherlands is ranked with Switzerland in having the most broadband subscriptions per 100 inhabitants,[1] has no bandwidth caps,[2] and has the most homes passed in Europe in terms of connection speeds of 50 Mbit/s and higher.[3]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_Netherlands https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_Netherlands Yes, they use a lot of DSL, but you can have 20+Mbit DSL connections. The cap is actually ~120 megabit under the right conditions. Though you need a telecom willing to make a few investments which seem rare in the US.
  - rayiner 9y ago
    I said Pennsylvania has more fiber deployment (40%) than the Netherlands (33%). That's completely accurate http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/06/03/third-of-dutch-homes-connected-to-fibre http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/06/03/third-of-dutch-hom.... But even speaking about the other things, Pennsylvania is ahead on many metrics: https://www.akamai.com/fr/fr/multimedia/documents/state-of-the-internet/q1-2017-state-of-the-internet-connectivity-report.pdf https://www.akamai.com/fr/fr/multimedia/documents/state-of-t.... In the Netherlands, average connection speed in Akamai's testing is 17.4 mbps, versus 20.8 in Pennsylvania. And 46% of connections are above 15 mbps, versus 54% in Pennsylvania. The "homes passed with 50 mbps+" statistic you cite is to a pay-walled article, but this source says https://www.telecompaper.com/research/netherlands-most-homes-passed-with-50mbps--690051 https://www.telecompaper.com/research/netherlands-most-homes... that the Netherlands, Japan, and South Korea are above 80%, while Sweden, Hong Kong, Denmark, and Taiwan are between 50% and 80%. The number in Pennsylvania is 88%: http://broadbandnow.com/Pennsylvania http://broadbandnow.com/Pennsylvania.
    - Retric 9y ago
      fiber deployment is a meaningless number what people care about is connection speeds. Average connection speed is also meaningless as it's minimum speeds that matter. (From you link %Above 25 Mbps Pennsylvania 26%) 1 Gbit conneciton does not make up for 40 1mbps connections. 2 county's have less than 30% access to 25MBPS connections, and no the few 1Gbps connections in no way make up for this deficit. PS: Though I agree PA has solid internet access. I just disagree with how you are measuring it.
      - rayiner 9y ago
        I strongly disagree that it's minimum connection speeds that matter. In a heavily-rural state like Pennsylvania, there will always be a lot of people living in places where it makes no sense to deploy fast wired broadband.[1] If you optimize the regulatory regime for bringing up that floor, you're going to compromise on the average and top end. [1] I think in a developed society, people have the right to lots of different services, including maybe even internet connectivity. I strongly disagree they have the right to get it wherever they want to live. The government shouldn't be in the business of creating incentives to live in places that are expensive to build infrastructure to, at the cost of everyone else.
        Retric 9y ago
        I don't think we should just find the single house with the worst connection speeds and measure that. But, I am willing to pay a lot more to go from 5-10Mbps than 50-55Mbps. Because connection speed has diminishing marginal utility. If you take the log of connection speeds and average that you IMO get closer to what people care about. Further, if netflix wants to roll out 4k service they don't really care about max bandwidth just percentage of households over a given threshold. The same idea is why the broadband report you linked cares about % over some threshold not simply averages. PS: Internet connections are surprisingly cheap to deploy, we have roads to 'everyone's' house. Fiber is fairly cheap, companies simply have no incentive to build it vs. say they will build it.
        bnbn66788 9y ago
- bnbn66788 9y ago
  Cause our motivations should be based upon comparison to other nations. Not because access has existential value. But because sportsball metaphors!
  - dahauns 9y ago
    I know what you mean. But...since it's notoriously hard to attract public attention with existential values, I'm all for sportsball metaphors. They get sh*t done. :)

rayiner 9y ago

Looks like there was a big jump in Sweden in the last couple of years, it was under 40% in 2014: https://www.cnet.com/news/fast-fiber-optic-broadband-spreads-across-developed-world https://www.cnet.com/news/fast-fiber-optic-broadband-spreads.... I've corrected my post.

Retric 9y ago
Still wrong. "the Netherlands is ranked with Switzerland in having the most broadband subscriptions per 100 inhabitants,[1] has no bandwidth caps,[2] and has the most homes passed in Europe in terms of connection speeds of 50 Mbit/s and higher.[3]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_Netherlands https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_the_Netherlands Yes, they use a lot of DSL, but you can have 20+Mbit DSL connections. The cap is actually ~120 megabit under the right conditions. Though you need a telecom willing to make a few investments which seem rare in the US.
- rayiner 9y ago
  I said Pennsylvania has more fiber deployment (40%) than the Netherlands (33%). That's completely accurate http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/06/03/third-of-dutch-homes-connected-to-fibre http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2016/06/03/third-of-dutch-hom.... But even speaking about the other things, Pennsylvania is ahead on many metrics: https://www.akamai.com/fr/fr/multimedia/documents/state-of-the-internet/q1-2017-state-of-the-internet-connectivity-report.pdf https://www.akamai.com/fr/fr/multimedia/documents/state-of-t.... In the Netherlands, average connection speed in Akamai's testing is 17.4 mbps, versus 20.8 in Pennsylvania. And 46% of connections are above 15 mbps, versus 54% in Pennsylvania. The "homes passed with 50 mbps+" statistic you cite is to a pay-walled article, but this source says https://www.telecompaper.com/research/netherlands-most-homes-passed-with-50mbps--690051 https://www.telecompaper.com/research/netherlands-most-homes... that the Netherlands, Japan, and South Korea are above 80%, while Sweden, Hong Kong, Denmark, and Taiwan are between 50% and 80%. The number in Pennsylvania is 88%: http://broadbandnow.com/Pennsylvania http://broadbandnow.com/Pennsylvania.
  - Retric 9y ago
    fiber deployment is a meaningless number what people care about is connection speeds. Average connection speed is also meaningless as it's minimum speeds that matter. (From you link %Above 25 Mbps Pennsylvania 26%) 1 Gbit conneciton does not make up for 40 1mbps connections. 2 county's have less than 30% access to 25MBPS connections, and no the few 1Gbps connections in no way make up for this deficit. PS: Though I agree PA has solid internet access. I just disagree with how you are measuring it.
    - rayiner 9y ago
      I strongly disagree that it's minimum connection speeds that matter. In a heavily-rural state like Pennsylvania, there will always be a lot of people living in places where it makes no sense to deploy fast wired broadband.[1] If you optimize the regulatory regime for bringing up that floor, you're going to compromise on the average and top end. [1] I think in a developed society, people have the right to lots of different services, including maybe even internet connectivity. I strongly disagree they have the right to get it wherever they want to live. The government shouldn't be in the business of creating incentives to live in places that are expensive to build infrastructure to, at the cost of everyone else.
      - Retric 9y ago
        I don't think we should just find the single house with the worst connection speeds and measure that. But, I am willing to pay a lot more to go from 5-10Mbps than 50-55Mbps. Because connection speed has diminishing marginal utility. If you take the log of connection speeds and average that you IMO get closer to what people care about. Further, if netflix wants to roll out 4k service they don't really care about max bandwidth just percentage of households over a given threshold. The same idea is why the broadband report you linked cares about % over some threshold not simply averages. PS: Internet connections are surprisingly cheap to deploy, we have roads to 'everyone's' house. Fiber is fairly cheap, companies simply have no incentive to build it vs. say they will build it.
      - bnbn66788 9y ago
bnbn66788 9y ago
Cause our motivations should be based upon comparison to other nations. Not because access has existential value. But because sportsball metaphors!
- dahauns 9y ago
  I know what you mean. But...since it's notoriously hard to attract public attention with existential values, I'm all for sportsball metaphors. They get sh*t done. :)