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I can understand, bicyclists are fucking annoying, and most of the time they are putting themselves and others in danger. For me, the road is no place for a bic

I can understand, bicyclists are fucking annoying, and most of the time they are putting themselves and others in danger. For me, the road is no place for a bicyclist. And, as you can see, there's no possible debate in the west: you have to have bicyclists, otherwise you're a backwards asshole. And I have to live with that, because that's society: you have to deal with people who don't think the way you do. (You just have to look at the downvotes to see what I'm talking about ;P)

brucephillips 9y ago
Cars kill far more people than bicycles, both absolute and per capita, so if that's your measure, then the road is no place for cars.
- fleitz 9y ago
  Bicycles are far more dangerous. Even more so that motorcycles, most people are smart enough to realize that it's the 20 lb bicycle that loses to 4000 lbs of steel. Danger is calculated in risk per mile, not per capita / absolute. I drive a 4Runner because it has lots of steel and is very safe so that when my kids get into an accident learning to drive they don't die.
  - brucephillips 9y ago
    Sure, but cyclists don't kill other people. Cars do.
  - kikimaru 9y ago
    >I drive a 4Runner because it has lots of steel and is very safe I can't believe I'm seeing this kind of ignorance on HN... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aht7Sc_J4OU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aht7Sc_J4OU
ykler 9y ago
Maybe you are being downvoted because you find it understandable that people are joking about murdering bicyclists in front of this guy. It is possible to have a data-based debate about whether bicyclists increase the rate of accidents and even about whether an appropriate response would be to ban them. Many people feel strongly about this subject, but it is not taboo.
fleitz 9y ago
Yeah the number of times I've been yelled at by cyclists for getting into accidents caused by breaking the law is rediculous. Hey fuck heads I could give a shit if I kill you when you run a red. If you don't want to be killed don't run red lights, I don't do it and I have a 4x4. Also if I'm in the right lane with my turn signal on it means I'm turning right, don't try to pass me in the slow lane fuck wit.
- kire456 9y ago
  Just curious - where I live, traffic going straight has priority over traffic turning or leaving the road in some way. So if the bike lane is to the right of the car lanes, the cars have to yield to bikes if turning right (in fact, they have to yield to pedestrians that cross the side road as well). Is this different in the US? (Am I assuming a bike lane that isn't actually there?)
  - CalRobert 9y ago
    That's generally true, but as noted by GP you'll get run over anyway. Also, bike lanes are rare in most of the US, and at least in California (which is where I got my license), if you're driving a car and turning right, you can enter the bike lane for the last couple hundred feet. In theory, that prevents right hooks, but it doesn't seem to help much in practice. The other issue is that you can turn right on a red light, so the driver is often looking only to the left for approaching traffic, turns right as soon as they see a gap, and runs over the cyclist or pedestrian who happened to be to their right.
    - kire456 9y ago
      That's.. staggering. Thanks for your reply.
CalRobert 9y ago
Assuming you live in the US (I don't know this for a fact), you've illustrated my point well. Please don't kill anyone.
dang 9y ago
Would you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? I'm not reacting just to this one but several others. We're going to end up banning you again if you don't fix this, and it seems to me that with a bit of effort you could participate as a good community member here. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14802742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14802742 and marked it off-topic.
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brucephillips 9y ago

Cars kill far more people than bicycles, both absolute and per capita, so if that's your measure, then the road is no place for cars.

fleitz 9y ago
Bicycles are far more dangerous. Even more so that motorcycles, most people are smart enough to realize that it's the 20 lb bicycle that loses to 4000 lbs of steel. Danger is calculated in risk per mile, not per capita / absolute. I drive a 4Runner because it has lots of steel and is very safe so that when my kids get into an accident learning to drive they don't die.
- brucephillips 9y ago
  Sure, but cyclists don't kill other people. Cars do.
- kikimaru 9y ago
  >I drive a 4Runner because it has lots of steel and is very safe I can't believe I'm seeing this kind of ignorance on HN... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aht7Sc_J4OU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aht7Sc_J4OU

ykler 9y ago

Maybe you are being downvoted because you find it understandable that people are joking about murdering bicyclists in front of this guy. It is possible to have a data-based debate about whether bicyclists increase the rate of accidents and even about whether an appropriate response would be to ban them. Many people feel strongly about this subject, but it is not taboo.

fleitz 9y ago

Yeah the number of times I've been yelled at by cyclists for getting into accidents caused by breaking the law is rediculous. Hey fuck heads I could give a shit if I kill you when you run a red. If you don't want to be killed don't run red lights, I don't do it and I have a 4x4. Also if I'm in the right lane with my turn signal on it means I'm turning right, don't try to pass me in the slow lane fuck wit.

kire456 9y ago
Just curious - where I live, traffic going straight has priority over traffic turning or leaving the road in some way. So if the bike lane is to the right of the car lanes, the cars have to yield to bikes if turning right (in fact, they have to yield to pedestrians that cross the side road as well). Is this different in the US? (Am I assuming a bike lane that isn't actually there?)
- CalRobert 9y ago
  That's generally true, but as noted by GP you'll get run over anyway. Also, bike lanes are rare in most of the US, and at least in California (which is where I got my license), if you're driving a car and turning right, you can enter the bike lane for the last couple hundred feet. In theory, that prevents right hooks, but it doesn't seem to help much in practice. The other issue is that you can turn right on a red light, so the driver is often looking only to the left for approaching traffic, turns right as soon as they see a gap, and runs over the cyclist or pedestrian who happened to be to their right.
  - kire456 9y ago
    That's.. staggering. Thanks for your reply.

CalRobert 9y ago

Assuming you live in the US (I don't know this for a fact), you've illustrated my point well. Please don't kill anyone.

dang 9y ago

Would you please stop posting uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN? I'm not reacting just to this one but several others. We're going to end up banning you again if you don't fix this, and it seems to me that with a bit of effort you could participate as a good community member here. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14802742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14802742 and marked it off-topic.

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