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Your thinking is similar to that of the German people during the 1930s. "Do we need to listen to the Jews before judging them? They've done enough repulsive th

Your thinking is similar to that of the German people during the 1930s. "Do we need to listen to the Jews before judging them? They've done enough repulsive things that it doesn't matter much what they say (unless they renounce their faith and vow to accept Christ as their saviour)"

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Sag0Sag0 9y ago
Yes but the jews hadn't called out transgender students to be harassed.
- ryanx435 9y ago
  Neither has Milo.
  - Sag0Sag0 9y ago
    What was milo doing then?
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/vb4e44/trans-student-harassed-by-milo-yiannopoulos-speaks-out https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/vb4e44/trans-student-... > Adelaide Kramer was in the audience during an event at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, where she used to be a student, when the speaker, Milo Yiannopoulos, projected a photograph of her on the wall. He then launched into a hateful tirade against Kramer, calling her a "tranny." The photo had been taken early in her transition, and the audience—a room filled by her classmates—laughed as Yiannopoulos degraded her.
Terr_ 9y ago
First off, way to Godwin's-law the conversation. Second, your comparison doesn't work because this isn't about Milo's membership in some vulnerable group. It's about dismissing him for being a detestable individual based on a history of personal statements and behavior. ... At least, I'm assume you do not mean that group-identities such as "liar" or "attention-seeker" merit the same kind of consideration as minority ethnicities or religions.
- Chris2048 9y ago
  Do you think the Germans believed Jews were members of "some vulnerable group"? I'm sure they had all kinds of justifications.
smt88 9y ago
That is astonishingly illogical as an analogy. "Jews" are a culture. They're a category of people. Milo is a single person. Germans in the 1930's didn't know what Jews "had done" because they were fed propaganda and because Jews had not "done" anything as a group. They were many individual people. Milo is one person, and I've seen videos of him saying disgusting, unacceptable things. He advocates persecution and preying on vulnerable people, like the trans student he accused of being a pervert. If you're arguing that one shouldn't judge someone else with incomplete evidence, that's fine. But that means I can't judge him either before or after seeing the video, because it's impossible to have 100% of the evidence about anyone. I know what Milo's goals are. I know that he's a troll. I've decided what I think about that, and unless he changes his M.O., a new video isn't going to tell me anything. It's arrogant to suggest that people are under-informed or ignorant just because they disagree with you.
- ryanx435 9y ago
  First, thanks for the more lengthy and well thought out reply. Second, all I did was take your words and transpose them from being about Milo to being about Jews. Take a second and think about how easy it was to misrepresent your ideas and motivations based on one comment taken out of context, then please realize that that is what has happened systemically to Milo and others over the course of the last few years. You seem like a reasonable individual. Why is it so hard for you to see your own hypocrisy! Please take the 45 minutes and watch the NPR video.
  - aaomidi 9y ago
    You didn't make an argument. Your "transpose" is literally called a strawman argument.

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Sag0Sag0 9y ago

Yes but the jews hadn't called out transgender students to be harassed.

ryanx435 9y ago
Neither has Milo.
- Sag0Sag0 9y ago
  What was milo doing then?
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/vb4e44/trans-student-harassed-by-milo-yiannopoulos-speaks-out https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/vb4e44/trans-student-... > Adelaide Kramer was in the audience during an event at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, where she used to be a student, when the speaker, Milo Yiannopoulos, projected a photograph of her on the wall. He then launched into a hateful tirade against Kramer, calling her a "tranny." The photo had been taken early in her transition, and the audience—a room filled by her classmates—laughed as Yiannopoulos degraded her.

Terr_ 9y ago

First off, way to Godwin's-law the conversation. Second, your comparison doesn't work because this isn't about Milo's membership in some vulnerable group. It's about dismissing him for being a detestable individual based on a history of personal statements and behavior. ... At least, I'm assume you do not mean that group-identities such as "liar" or "attention-seeker" merit the same kind of consideration as minority ethnicities or religions.

Chris2048 9y ago
Do you think the Germans believed Jews were members of "some vulnerable group"? I'm sure they had all kinds of justifications.

smt88 9y ago

That is astonishingly illogical as an analogy. "Jews" are a culture. They're a category of people. Milo is a single person. Germans in the 1930's didn't know what Jews "had done" because they were fed propaganda and because Jews had not "done" anything as a group. They were many individual people. Milo is one person, and I've seen videos of him saying disgusting, unacceptable things. He advocates persecution and preying on vulnerable people, like the trans student he accused of being a pervert. If you're arguing that one shouldn't judge someone else with incomplete evidence, that's fine. But that means I can't judge him either before or after seeing the video, because it's impossible to have 100% of the evidence about anyone. I know what Milo's goals are. I know that he's a troll. I've decided what I think about that, and unless he changes his M.O., a new video isn't going to tell me anything. It's arrogant to suggest that people are under-informed or ignorant just because they disagree with you.

ryanx435 9y ago
First, thanks for the more lengthy and well thought out reply. Second, all I did was take your words and transpose them from being about Milo to being about Jews. Take a second and think about how easy it was to misrepresent your ideas and motivations based on one comment taken out of context, then please realize that that is what has happened systemically to Milo and others over the course of the last few years. You seem like a reasonable individual. Why is it so hard for you to see your own hypocrisy! Please take the 45 minutes and watch the NPR video.
- aaomidi 9y ago
  You didn't make an argument. Your "transpose" is literally called a strawman argument.