Start up time isn't that bad for the jvm itself. A small clojure app starts up in no time. Java itself has a large library that is included in every application

Start up time isn't that bad for the jvm itself. A small clojure app starts up in no time. Java itself has a large library that is included in every application now. Jigsaw should alleviate this though. I would also add as an aside is that most production Java applications are rather large, with several large dependencies.