Still, I started off making an entirely different point - (that there are many good values that can't be inverted) on which I think we were agreed. So in the en

Still, I started off making an entirely different point - (that there are many good values that can't be inverted) on which I think we were agreed. So in the end I really argued most strongly (and took the biggest karma hit on) for things we actually agreed on! So thanks for your discussion, too :). (meanwhile all my other contri bributors