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>>Glass is also helping healthcare professionals. Doctors at Dignity Health have been using Glass with an application our partner Augmedix calls “a remote scrib

by kharms 9y ago

>>Glass is also helping healthcare professionals. Doctors at Dignity Health have been using Glass with an application our partner Augmedix calls “a remote scribe”. My primary care doctor has a human scribe. The scribe is a recent graduate (BS), planning on going to med school next year. Being physically in the room, watching the doctor work is a great benefit to her. I'm not sure she'd benefit as much from watching a live stream. Additionally, as a patient I wouldn't be comfortable being recorded.

ape4 9y ago
Just disrobe while I record you with my cyborg glasses. Now, please describe your embarrassing medical problem. (However, it seems like a great idea for other situations.)
- bitdeveloper 9y ago
  I wonder if there would be room for a public key / dual encryption for the video produced that both the doctor and the patient would need to sign off on to view the video, or something like that, to add some kind of viewing trail/authentication/authorization. I mean, who's to say any given doctor's office doesn't have a hidden camera/microphone somewhere anyway.
  - pavel_lishin 9y ago
    > I mean, who's to say any given doctor's office doesn't have a hidden camera/microphone somewhere anyway. If you're having paranoid delusions, visiting a doctor's office may be a good start, despite the small possibility of hidden cameras and microphones.
  - chipperyman573 9y ago
    Well, you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a doctor's office (when the door is closed), so even in single-party recording states this would be illegal. Also, HIPPA wouldn't allow this, so the doctor's office would be fined pretty heavily for every patient recorded.
- kakarot 9y ago
  Ha yeah that's not gonna work. Well, I say that, but thinking long term, it does kind of seem inevitable. Somehow we're going to have to come to terms with having every embarrassing moment of our lives outside of our home being recorded. Unless the UN comes up with an effective digital bill of rights this is an espionage disaster waiting to happen.
arbitrage 9y ago
I would be totally cool with being recorded. I think its beyond time we get past the ridiculous false modesty that seems to be considered a virtue, but with no real benefit.
- xienze 9y ago
  It has less to do with "false modesty" and more to do with the fact that a recording of you is being sent somewhere, probably a Google server, which leaves the door open for someone to get a hold of it. That doesn't concern you at all?
  - strictnein 9y ago
    Your medical records would be far more secure on Google's servers than almost any hospital server.
    - xienze 9y ago
      That kind of information should never, ever leave the hospital/doctor's office LAN in the first place.
      - strictnein 9y ago
        How does that make any sense? So when you go to another hospital, your records should be unavailable?
        softawre 9y ago
        In the US, a lot of the time you can digitally access your records yourself
      - TeMPOraL 9y ago
        Unfortunately it can and it will. At this point in time, while the best option would be not to get recorded in the first place, I'd trust Google servers much more than anything a hospital deployed with help of random contractors.
maccard 9y ago
My primary care doctor struggles to take notes while talking to me in the 10 minutes we have allocated for an appointment. This would be a huge win. I do share your concern about being recorded as a patient though.
- cdubzzz 9y ago
  I'm not sure about that. What is your expectation? That the doctor or someone else will take the time to re-watch the recording of your interaction? How is that better than just extending the interaction? As an aside, is this a common thing? I had an appointment to get a tdap booster a few weeks ago and spent a good 30 mins. chatting with my doctor.
  - maccard 9y ago
    Honestly I don't know what I would prefer. certainly I would prefer more quality time with my doctor, but at what cost, I don't know. Here at least (uk) yes. Al of the practices I've visited have strict 10 minute appointments and the doctor will cut you off at 10 minutes. If I go in for a flu jab(I'm asthmatic and at high risk), I expect to be in and out in about 2 minutes, and I don't see the doctor; it's normally a practice nurse that does it. You then get sent back to the aaiting room and told to sit tight for 10 minutes in case you feel weak, but that's it. For consultants in hospitals it's different, though.
    - cdubzzz 9y ago
      Interesting. I probably have a skewed view because I currently have very good employer-provided health care (US). I don't think I've ever spent less than 15 minutes with my doctor for an appointment. She also takes calls and texts and I have made same-day appointments (within hours) in the past. However it is perhaps worth noting that the practice charges a $250/year "concierge fee" and from what I've read that's a very low fee comparable to other offices that use that model. Perhaps I would be less likely to go there if I had a high premium to pay in addition. But even with previous employers and plans across the US, I can't recall a doctor who has ever rushed me out of appointments.
MarkMc 9y ago
The doctor would probably be even more uncomfortable being recorded, for the same reason that cops don't like wearing body cameras: Any mistake is recorded and can be replayed at trial. As a patient I would be quite happy for doctors and nurses to wear body cameras if it was part of a systematic approach to eliminating errors (similar to the way airplane cockpit voice and data recorders have been instrumental in reducing plane crashes).
askvictor 9y ago
I suspect that it would only be recording audio; video recordings chew through the battery and would be unnecessary in most cases like this (perhaps the occasional photo of some symptoms would be very useful). I'm totally happy for the doctor to record my conversations with her; they'd be more reliable than the notes typed up hurriedly during or after the consultation.
aqsheehy 9y ago
It's not about benefiting the graduate
vit05 9y ago
But the point here is to reduce the time doctors spend on mundane tasks.
romanovcode 9y ago
> as a patient I wouldn't be comfortable being recorded. Also sent to google, so then when you get home you get relevant ads for your medical issue. Yay!

by kharms 9y ago

ape4 9y ago

Just disrobe while I record you with my cyborg glasses. Now, please describe your embarrassing medical problem. (However, it seems like a great idea for other situations.)

bitdeveloper 9y ago
I wonder if there would be room for a public key / dual encryption for the video produced that both the doctor and the patient would need to sign off on to view the video, or something like that, to add some kind of viewing trail/authentication/authorization. I mean, who's to say any given doctor's office doesn't have a hidden camera/microphone somewhere anyway.
- pavel_lishin 9y ago
  > I mean, who's to say any given doctor's office doesn't have a hidden camera/microphone somewhere anyway. If you're having paranoid delusions, visiting a doctor's office may be a good start, despite the small possibility of hidden cameras and microphones.
- chipperyman573 9y ago
  Well, you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a doctor's office (when the door is closed), so even in single-party recording states this would be illegal. Also, HIPPA wouldn't allow this, so the doctor's office would be fined pretty heavily for every patient recorded.
kakarot 9y ago
Ha yeah that's not gonna work. Well, I say that, but thinking long term, it does kind of seem inevitable. Somehow we're going to have to come to terms with having every embarrassing moment of our lives outside of our home being recorded. Unless the UN comes up with an effective digital bill of rights this is an espionage disaster waiting to happen.

arbitrage 9y ago

I would be totally cool with being recorded. I think its beyond time we get past the ridiculous false modesty that seems to be considered a virtue, but with no real benefit.

xienze 9y ago
It has less to do with "false modesty" and more to do with the fact that a recording of you is being sent somewhere, probably a Google server, which leaves the door open for someone to get a hold of it. That doesn't concern you at all?
- strictnein 9y ago
  Your medical records would be far more secure on Google's servers than almost any hospital server.
  - xienze 9y ago
    That kind of information should never, ever leave the hospital/doctor's office LAN in the first place.
    - strictnein 9y ago
      How does that make any sense? So when you go to another hospital, your records should be unavailable?
      - softawre 9y ago
        In the US, a lot of the time you can digitally access your records yourself
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      Unfortunately it can and it will. At this point in time, while the best option would be not to get recorded in the first place, I'd trust Google servers much more than anything a hospital deployed with help of random contractors.

maccard 9y ago

My primary care doctor struggles to take notes while talking to me in the 10 minutes we have allocated for an appointment. This would be a huge win. I do share your concern about being recorded as a patient though.

cdubzzz 9y ago
I'm not sure about that. What is your expectation? That the doctor or someone else will take the time to re-watch the recording of your interaction? How is that better than just extending the interaction? As an aside, is this a common thing? I had an appointment to get a tdap booster a few weeks ago and spent a good 30 mins. chatting with my doctor.
- maccard 9y ago
  Honestly I don't know what I would prefer. certainly I would prefer more quality time with my doctor, but at what cost, I don't know. Here at least (uk) yes. Al of the practices I've visited have strict 10 minute appointments and the doctor will cut you off at 10 minutes. If I go in for a flu jab(I'm asthmatic and at high risk), I expect to be in and out in about 2 minutes, and I don't see the doctor; it's normally a practice nurse that does it. You then get sent back to the aaiting room and told to sit tight for 10 minutes in case you feel weak, but that's it. For consultants in hospitals it's different, though.
  - cdubzzz 9y ago
    Interesting. I probably have a skewed view because I currently have very good employer-provided health care (US). I don't think I've ever spent less than 15 minutes with my doctor for an appointment. She also takes calls and texts and I have made same-day appointments (within hours) in the past. However it is perhaps worth noting that the practice charges a $250/year "concierge fee" and from what I've read that's a very low fee comparable to other offices that use that model. Perhaps I would be less likely to go there if I had a high premium to pay in addition. But even with previous employers and plans across the US, I can't recall a doctor who has ever rushed me out of appointments.

MarkMc 9y ago

The doctor would probably be even more uncomfortable being recorded, for the same reason that cops don't like wearing body cameras: Any mistake is recorded and can be replayed at trial. As a patient I would be quite happy for doctors and nurses to wear body cameras if it was part of a systematic approach to eliminating errors (similar to the way airplane cockpit voice and data recorders have been instrumental in reducing plane crashes).

askvictor 9y ago

I suspect that it would only be recording audio; video recordings chew through the battery and would be unnecessary in most cases like this (perhaps the occasional photo of some symptoms would be very useful). I'm totally happy for the doctor to record my conversations with her; they'd be more reliable than the notes typed up hurriedly during or after the consultation.

aqsheehy 9y ago

It's not about benefiting the graduate

vit05 9y ago

But the point here is to reduce the time doctors spend on mundane tasks.

romanovcode 9y ago

> as a patient I wouldn't be comfortable being recorded. Also sent to google, so then when you get home you get relevant ads for your medical issue. Yay!