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Also, waaaayyyyy too many people really underestimate and under train for high intensity stuff like marathons these days. Fitness has become a fade that people

Also, waaaayyyyy too many people really underestimate and under train for high intensity stuff like marathons these days. Fitness has become a fade that people are not backing up with actually putting the hard work in to be able to do things safe. A thing called Sudden Adult Death Syndrome has become very prominent in Ireland (including claiming people I knew personally.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_arrhythmic_death_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_arrhythmic_death_syndro...

fokinsean 9y ago
Didn't see anything in that wiki article relating training/marathons to SADS. How did you make that link?
- secfirstmd 9y ago
  It's what a number of people I know who under trained for marathons dropped during/from.
teamhappy 9y ago
Marathons aren't high intensity workouts. A 20 minute tempo run would be a good example. (I guess it's similar to a 30 minute spinning class.)
- xiaoma 9y ago
  >"Marathons aren't high intensity workouts." It sounds like you've never run one. World class athletes can run an entire marathon at a sub 5m mile pace. While they could run a single mile race in 4:05 or so, it's not even remotely a low intensity effort to run a 5 minute mile, even for the fittest people on the entire planet. Unless you've put real effort into training, 60+ year-old competitive marathoners have done a 20 minute tempo run faster than you ever have... and repeated it 7 consecutive times without rest. Marathons are high intensity and extended efforts.
  - teamhappy 9y ago
    Marathon race pace is ideally ever so slightly below your lactate threshold. The definition of high intensity training is literally anything above that threshold.
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    - xiaoma 9y ago
      Running is generally considered a high intensity activity, but of course there are different degrees. >"The definition of high intensity training is literally anything above that (lactate) threshold." That's far from a universal definition. The phrase "high intensity training" often refers to a type of strength training popularized by the founder of Nautilus that involved lifting until muscle failure. What you're describing specifically is called anaerobic training.
      - teamhappy 9y ago
        > That's far from a universal definition. In sports medicine lactate threshold/anaerobic threshold/90(ish)% of VO2max has been the de facto definition for high intensity efforts for many many years. You'll find plenty of examples on Google Scholar (including papers criticizing people for using these thresholds to define the intensity of workouts...) > Running is generally considered a high intensity activity Nope. Running can be a low, medium or high intensity activity depending on how hard you run (relative to your max).
        xiaoma 9y ago
        That's an extremely pedantic argument. This isn't a sports medicine journal and you can google to find many other sites focused on health and wellness that go with a more mainstream usage. This even includes the NIH for what it's worth but I'm done on this thread.
revelation 9y ago
The cause of SADS is very often a congenital heart defect. The high heart rate and blood pressure associated with endurance efforts is a good way of triggering an underlying defect that may be benign in a relaxed state. But to state that these people died because they "underprepared" is ridiculous. That's like saying you could have prevented dying from a brain tumor by doing more crossword puzzles. Just as a tumor, a congenital defect was just a bad dice throw. Exercise triggered it, but so could running to catch a bus.

fokinsean 9y ago

Didn't see anything in that wiki article relating training/marathons to SADS. How did you make that link?

secfirstmd 9y ago
It's what a number of people I know who under trained for marathons dropped during/from.

teamhappy 9y ago

Marathons aren't high intensity workouts. A 20 minute tempo run would be a good example. (I guess it's similar to a 30 minute spinning class.)

xiaoma 9y ago
>"Marathons aren't high intensity workouts." It sounds like you've never run one. World class athletes can run an entire marathon at a sub 5m mile pace. While they could run a single mile race in 4:05 or so, it's not even remotely a low intensity effort to run a 5 minute mile, even for the fittest people on the entire planet. Unless you've put real effort into training, 60+ year-old competitive marathoners have done a 20 minute tempo run faster than you ever have... and repeated it 7 consecutive times without rest. Marathons are high intensity and extended efforts.
- teamhappy 9y ago
  Marathon race pace is ideally ever so slightly below your lactate threshold. The definition of high intensity training is literally anything above that threshold.
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  - xiaoma 9y ago
    Running is generally considered a high intensity activity, but of course there are different degrees. >"The definition of high intensity training is literally anything above that (lactate) threshold." That's far from a universal definition. The phrase "high intensity training" often refers to a type of strength training popularized by the founder of Nautilus that involved lifting until muscle failure. What you're describing specifically is called anaerobic training.
    - teamhappy 9y ago
      > That's far from a universal definition. In sports medicine lactate threshold/anaerobic threshold/90(ish)% of VO2max has been the de facto definition for high intensity efforts for many many years. You'll find plenty of examples on Google Scholar (including papers criticizing people for using these thresholds to define the intensity of workouts...) > Running is generally considered a high intensity activity Nope. Running can be a low, medium or high intensity activity depending on how hard you run (relative to your max).
      - xiaoma 9y ago
        That's an extremely pedantic argument. This isn't a sports medicine journal and you can google to find many other sites focused on health and wellness that go with a more mainstream usage. This even includes the NIH for what it's worth but I'm done on this thread.

revelation 9y ago

The cause of SADS is very often a congenital heart defect. The high heart rate and blood pressure associated with endurance efforts is a good way of triggering an underlying defect that may be benign in a relaxed state. But to state that these people died because they "underprepared" is ridiculous. That's like saying you could have prevented dying from a brain tumor by doing more crossword puzzles. Just as a tumor, a congenital defect was just a bad dice throw. Exercise triggered it, but so could running to catch a bus.