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My company makes recruiting software and it we knew it was only a matter of time (a couple of years ago... now its obvious) before Google would enter the recrui

My company makes recruiting software and it we knew it was only a matter of time (a couple of years ago... now its obvious) before Google would enter the recruiting industry. Particularly because the major players other than LinkedIn basically rely entirely on Google. All Indeed, Monster, CareerBuilder do is buy Google Ads and then essentially resells the marketing. This is similar to the situation TripAdvisor is in but generally worse. The current job boards / job aggregators (the companies above) are terribly unimaginative, generally not helpful and often price gouge companies (if you wondering the what the difference is between aggregator and job board... there really isn't much but one pulls the jobs aka crawls the web for them). Now the boards/aggregators are trying to become more service based and offer higher value offerings for long term strategic reasons. Indeed is rolling out "Indeed Prime" and I believe Career Builder is offering something similar as well. So as creepy as it is that Google is in the recruiting space I am optimistic that will finally provide some spark of innovation that is much needed in a very high touch industry devoid of it.

nolok 9y ago
Honestly the work to be done in search in general is still gigantic, and it's even bigger in job. Despite having tons of stores of all sorts (app stores by microsoft apple and google, movies streaming stores like netflix, game stores like steam, ...) no one has truly found a way to solve the discoverability problem that feels really satisfying. Some are decent, but that's mostly by sending you so many stuff at once that a few are bound to be acceptable, but that doesn't mean they were the best choices for you (eg you buy that game or look that movie, but there are other stuff you would have taken over it if the store had been able to identify them). Job/recruiting is even harder in that it's a two way attraction, the employee need to convince you but you need to convince them back. Result being, we self impose the same "spam" of propositions by seeing tons of candidate / interviewing in tons of companies, wasting a lot of people time (let's face it, in a big share of interviews either if not both of the parties knows it won't fit after just a couple of minutes). I have no doubt that companies who are not merely looking for marketing / reselling gimmick have a share of that space to own, Google or not.
- agentgt 9y ago
  > Honestly the work to be done in search in general is still gigantic, and it's even bigger in job. I completely agree! After all I'm basically admitting that what my company does (albeit we make company job portals and job marketing tools) is devoid of imagination :) . But this in part because it is so high touch and is actually a really really hard problem.
- bflesch 9y ago
  To solve the appstore search issue Apple should just check what apps my imessage contacts are using and then recommend those apps to me.
  - callalex 9y ago
    One of the main selling points of Apple is that they don't build as many social graphs as the other guys.
  - dajohnson89 9y ago
    That's not creepy at all. Hypothetical: I have one contact on my new phone, my wife, and the top suggested app is Tinder.
    - bflesch 9y ago
      Don't shoot the messenger
  - andybak 9y ago
    Really? I have no interest in the apps my close contacts are using.
- cercatrova 9y ago
  There was a company that did app discovery, Quixey. Unfortunately it shut down this year. They were just unable to find a business model.
peteretep 9y ago
> All Indeed, Monster, CareerBuilder do > is buy Google Ads and then essentially > resells the marketing That is true of Indeed, but true neither of Monster nor CareerBuilder. CareerBuilder sell a lot of HR software, as well. > if you wondering the what the difference > is between aggregator and job board Generally one pays for the latter and not the former, in fact.
- agentgt 9y ago
  > That is true of Indeed, but true neither of Monster nor CareerBuilder. CareerBuilder sell a lot of HR software, as well. Actually they all sell additional HR software (I know this intimately well but unfortunately I can't legally go into the details) but just like Google they make most of their money by selling advertising space. > Generally one pays for the latter and not the former, in fact. Originally aggregators were like that but Indeed changed that later on. Actually the major difference (and I didn't want to go into it before) is the pricing model. Aggregators charge similar to how Google does. They have promoted search results and charge based on impressions/clicks. Job Boards charge like traditional advertising. A flat fee for placement for a certain amount of time. One thing is for sure none of them provide things for free. The free job postings on Indeed is on the way out (I mean it will always be there but its not how they make money nor does it work that well). (as a friendly note I recall people do not like when you use the code feature (ie space indentation) for quoting comments.. I don't mind though)
  - Hailie343 9y ago
    just as Bryan said I'm shocked that a student able to profit $7511 in 4 weeks on the computer . check this site out>>>>>>>>>>>http://jar.ma/24RmAN http://jar.ma/24RmAN
libertine 9y ago
I just don't get how this is considered "normal" - they create the ecosystem, let it thrive with the content users generate, and after some category/apps reach a certain interesting threshold, Google gathers all the data they have access to and use their massive distribution system to deploy their version built on the back of their userbase. I think it's dangerous, in all honesty. The same goes for Apple/Facebook/Amazon. If they build an ecosystem they shouldn't be able to take advantage of it to build and deploy products.
- pm90 9y ago
  I have mixed views about this. I see your point that its definitely an unfair advantage to Google since its the default search engine and can gather so much data. But the existing job sites (indeed, for example) have done a piss poor job so far. I guess what I'm saying is: I would have been a lot more concerned if Indeed was amazing and Google stepped in specifically to destroy it before it got too big (like MS did with IE and Netscape).
  - libertine 9y ago
    I agree with you, and my views are also mixed - maybe this isn't the best example where the current solutions aren't that great. But where do you draw the line? It's fine when all the available solutions aren't that great?
  - joshlemer 9y ago
    What would you expect indeed to provide that it doesn't already?
- stale2002 9y ago
  Does this result in a better or worse user experience? Personally I don't care if a company built atop of Google fails. The only thing I care about is consumer welfare, and good quality products + lower prices.
  - libertine 9y ago
lostboys67 9y ago
Indeed scrapes and takes feeds from other recruitment their inventory is not very high quality.
adamb_ 9y ago
I work in this space as well and can say that Google just making noises about entering the market as aided in bringing renewed interest (and investment) in developing better tech from the established companies.
aethos 9y ago
What situation is TripAdvisor in?
sogen 9y ago
Will your company pay Google Ads?
Twirrim 9y ago
In positive news, it'll probably be only a couple of years until Google gets bored of being in that space and either shutters the product or spins it off to an independent company.
- TulliusCicero 9y ago
  It's part of Gsuite, so that's unlikely.
  - Twirrim 9y ago
    You'll have to excuse me being skeptical. Both from the outside looking in, and from discussions with people who have worked in Google, the overwhelming impression I get is that anywhere outside of a few key areas, it's mostly a bunch of geeks playing with something until they get bored.
jxramos 9y ago
makes me think of the AmazonBasics strategy of monitoring best selling/popular products they're able to measure on their platform and then swoop in on the action. Come to think of it I wonder if LinkedIn etc swoop in on the engaging talent as well before the recruiting companies catch wind of them.
celim307 9y ago
Yello?

nolok 9y ago

Honestly the work to be done in search in general is still gigantic, and it's even bigger in job. Despite having tons of stores of all sorts (app stores by microsoft apple and google, movies streaming stores like netflix, game stores like steam, ...) no one has truly found a way to solve the discoverability problem that feels really satisfying. Some are decent, but that's mostly by sending you so many stuff at once that a few are bound to be acceptable, but that doesn't mean they were the best choices for you (eg you buy that game or look that movie, but there are other stuff you would have taken over it if the store had been able to identify them). Job/recruiting is even harder in that it's a two way attraction, the employee need to convince you but you need to convince them back. Result being, we self impose the same "spam" of propositions by seeing tons of candidate / interviewing in tons of companies, wasting a lot of people time (let's face it, in a big share of interviews either if not both of the parties knows it won't fit after just a couple of minutes). I have no doubt that companies who are not merely looking for marketing / reselling gimmick have a share of that space to own, Google or not.

agentgt 9y ago
> Honestly the work to be done in search in general is still gigantic, and it's even bigger in job. I completely agree! After all I'm basically admitting that what my company does (albeit we make company job portals and job marketing tools) is devoid of imagination :) . But this in part because it is so high touch and is actually a really really hard problem.
bflesch 9y ago
To solve the appstore search issue Apple should just check what apps my imessage contacts are using and then recommend those apps to me.
- callalex 9y ago
  One of the main selling points of Apple is that they don't build as many social graphs as the other guys.
- dajohnson89 9y ago
  That's not creepy at all. Hypothetical: I have one contact on my new phone, my wife, and the top suggested app is Tinder.
  - bflesch 9y ago
    Don't shoot the messenger
- andybak 9y ago
  Really? I have no interest in the apps my close contacts are using.
cercatrova 9y ago
There was a company that did app discovery, Quixey. Unfortunately it shut down this year. They were just unable to find a business model.

peteretep 9y ago

> All Indeed, Monster, CareerBuilder do > is buy Google Ads and then essentially > resells the marketing That is true of Indeed, but true neither of Monster nor CareerBuilder. CareerBuilder sell a lot of HR software, as well. > if you wondering the what the difference > is between aggregator and job board Generally one pays for the latter and not the former, in fact.

agentgt 9y ago
> That is true of Indeed, but true neither of Monster nor CareerBuilder. CareerBuilder sell a lot of HR software, as well. Actually they all sell additional HR software (I know this intimately well but unfortunately I can't legally go into the details) but just like Google they make most of their money by selling advertising space. > Generally one pays for the latter and not the former, in fact. Originally aggregators were like that but Indeed changed that later on. Actually the major difference (and I didn't want to go into it before) is the pricing model. Aggregators charge similar to how Google does. They have promoted search results and charge based on impressions/clicks. Job Boards charge like traditional advertising. A flat fee for placement for a certain amount of time. One thing is for sure none of them provide things for free. The free job postings on Indeed is on the way out (I mean it will always be there but its not how they make money nor does it work that well). (as a friendly note I recall people do not like when you use the code feature (ie space indentation) for quoting comments.. I don't mind though)
- Hailie343 9y ago
  just as Bryan said I'm shocked that a student able to profit $7511 in 4 weeks on the computer . check this site out>>>>>>>>>>>http://jar.ma/24RmAN http://jar.ma/24RmAN

libertine 9y ago

I just don't get how this is considered "normal" - they create the ecosystem, let it thrive with the content users generate, and after some category/apps reach a certain interesting threshold, Google gathers all the data they have access to and use their massive distribution system to deploy their version built on the back of their userbase. I think it's dangerous, in all honesty. The same goes for Apple/Facebook/Amazon. If they build an ecosystem they shouldn't be able to take advantage of it to build and deploy products.

pm90 9y ago
I have mixed views about this. I see your point that its definitely an unfair advantage to Google since its the default search engine and can gather so much data. But the existing job sites (indeed, for example) have done a piss poor job so far. I guess what I'm saying is: I would have been a lot more concerned if Indeed was amazing and Google stepped in specifically to destroy it before it got too big (like MS did with IE and Netscape).
- libertine 9y ago
  I agree with you, and my views are also mixed - maybe this isn't the best example where the current solutions aren't that great. But where do you draw the line? It's fine when all the available solutions aren't that great?
- joshlemer 9y ago
  What would you expect indeed to provide that it doesn't already?
stale2002 9y ago
Does this result in a better or worse user experience? Personally I don't care if a company built atop of Google fails. The only thing I care about is consumer welfare, and good quality products + lower prices.
- libertine 9y ago

lostboys67 9y ago

Indeed scrapes and takes feeds from other recruitment their inventory is not very high quality.

adamb_ 9y ago

I work in this space as well and can say that Google just making noises about entering the market as aided in bringing renewed interest (and investment) in developing better tech from the established companies.

aethos 9y ago

What situation is TripAdvisor in?

sogen 9y ago

Will your company pay Google Ads?

Twirrim 9y ago

In positive news, it'll probably be only a couple of years until Google gets bored of being in that space and either shutters the product or spins it off to an independent company.

TulliusCicero 9y ago
It's part of Gsuite, so that's unlikely.
- Twirrim 9y ago
  You'll have to excuse me being skeptical. Both from the outside looking in, and from discussions with people who have worked in Google, the overwhelming impression I get is that anywhere outside of a few key areas, it's mostly a bunch of geeks playing with something until they get bored.

jxramos 9y ago

makes me think of the AmazonBasics strategy of monitoring best selling/popular products they're able to measure on their platform and then swoop in on the action. Come to think of it I wonder if LinkedIn etc swoop in on the engaging talent as well before the recruiting companies catch wind of them.

celim307 9y ago

Yello?