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Stay away from Lever. It's a slick web application along the lines of the fanciness of Asana's interface. What it isn't is a sane applicant tracking system. I
by skuhn 9y ago
Stay away from Lever.
It's a slick web application along the lines of the fanciness of Asana's interface.
What it isn't is a sane applicant tracking system. It doesn't reliably notify you when candidates apply. It supports virtually zero job board integrations. It very much wants you to adapt to it, with very little support for the other way around. The interface is over-complicated to the point of being unusable for anyone who isn't committed to spending hours a week in it.
I have never used an ATS that I actually liked, but the failings of Lever make it pretty special in terms of ATS hatred.
It isn't particularly expensive though, despite their opaque pricing. Most ATSes seem to price ~10 open reqs around $300/mo or so. Where the real expense comes in is usually the job board listing fees -- but since Lever barely supports any job boards, you don't have to worry about that!
- Lery1934 9y agoAll true. And to be honest I have always been very turned off by their boastful "We only hire 50/50 Male/Female developer team." It's so in your face, it's like "why not hire the best person for the job?" Or when I see their internal job ads here, its like "Gee, I wonder if this is for a Male engineering role or a Female engineering role," or "Hope they didn't hire a bunch of dudes last week." So for a variety of reasons I am an anti-advocate for Lever; I will never have business with them and I have successfully pointed several companies to better ATS.
- jmtame 9y agoWhat's wrong with a company stating its mission to hire a diverse workforce? It's pretty hard to hire for diversity, especially if you're not explicit about it.
- literallycancer 9y agoWhat's wrong with it is that it's gender discrimination.
- cdno9 9y agoI've never seen the claim made that Lever only hires for 50/50 male/female developer teams. Can you cite a source on that?
- siissussjskk 9y agoWho says they aren't hiring quality candidates? Saying you are maintaining a 50:50 team just means you continue searching for a qualified man or woman to maintain the ratio instead of settling for someone overrepresented in the industry.
- TulliusCicero 9y agoIt's not entirely clear to me how that wouldn't be illegal.
- levelist_com 9y agoIf you're passing up a quality candidate b/c they're the wrong gender than that's discriminatory. Also, there are plenty of industries that are over represented by women. Do you hear men crying about it or big movements to invade those industries by men. I think the workforce should represent the proper ratio, meaning... if software dev is made up of 90% males and 10% females than so too should the staff. Well the goal should be to make sure your staff make up is in the same ratio. Thats a good goal.
- zmillman 9y agoHow recently have you used Lever? The job board integrations got a lot better near the end of last year
- skuhn 9y agoToday. Here is the job board integration from Lever [1], taken directly from my Lever account. Here is the job board integration from JobScore [2][3][4], taken directly from my JobScore account. I wouldn't say that JobScore is necessarily all that great either, but it does certain basic things that Lever has punted on. And yes, that's right. It took me 3 screenshots to fit all of the JobScore integrations in. Granted, Lever does have a lot more sourcing firm integrations, but that isn't my use case and it doesn't provide value to me. [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/cf8njn0v0m0hm7e/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.20.19.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/cf8njn0v0m0hm7e/Screenshot%202017-... [2] https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ad31qzmj5gxnp1/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.17.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ad31qzmj5gxnp1/Screenshot%202017-... [3] https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfk6kx18666pqzv/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.28.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfk6kx18666pqzv/Screenshot%202017-... [4] https://www.dropbox.com/s/f429p5r8c2z4uui/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.38.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/f429p5r8c2z4uui/Screenshot%202017-...
- jmtame 9y ago"It doesn't reliably notify you when candidates apply." I get e-mailed every time candidates apply for a role I'm following. I actually disagree with most of what you're writing and I've been on it nearly full-time for the past few months. Lever has been awesome, coming from Greenhouse. It's also a much newer product, so as another commenter pointed out, it sounds like you missed some of the features that might have been more recently added.
- skuhn 9y agoIt does notify by e-mail, sometimes to some people. I am a 'Follower' on every currently open job req, and a 'Hiring manager' on a few of the reqs. I'm not a 'posting owner' on any of the current reqs. There are 13 open applicants today, and I received e-mail notifications for zero of them. This has been a recurring, long term problem with Lever -- and my company has used it for 3+ years (and still does, although we are finally transitioning off). It's to the point where it's someone's job to log into Lever every 2-3 days and nag hiring managers to respond to applicants -- and the hiring managers almost never know that they have applicants based solely on Lever. Lever's preferred use case is also to have full access to Google Apps e-mail accounts, to provide end-to-end e-mail capture for when you talk to candidates. In theory maybe I want that behavior, but I really don't want to grant that control. I'm glad that Lever works for you, but it really doesn't work for me. Using it is honestly one of the biggest mistakes we made as a company, and it's irrational that we stuck with it for so long (out of a sense that all ATSes suck so what's the point). It's never worked well for us, and it is fundamentally not the right product fit for us. I'm surprised to hear that it is the right fit for anyone, but it sounds like you have had a very different experience with it. For my company, I can say with certainty that we have missed out on candidates, had an overall harder time in the hiring process, and had a MUCH harder time sourcing candidates due to its poor job board integration. That said, if you like Lever, don't let me stop you from continuing to like and use it.
- foobaw 9y agoWhat is your company transitioning to?
- rcheu 9y agoAs a developer who gives interviews, I enjoy using Lever. It's very easy to use for getting information on candidates and providing feedback on interview performance. I haven't heard any complaints from the recruiting team either, so it seems to work at least reasonably well for them too. They might not have integrations with other job boards, but as someone interviewing, I prefer that since Lever had the best application interfaces of any job application site.