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I was just about to select a recruitment management service. Both Lever and Greenhouse has "call us" pricing, and sadly Google Hire follows the same trend. Only

I was just about to select a recruitment management service. Both Lever and Greenhouse has "call us" pricing, and sadly Google Hire follows the same trend. Only Workable has a clear pricing page, which gives them a big plus in my book. Since we're on G Suite, Hire could be a natural fit but the requirement to book a demo (and the accompanying upside-down shaking to see how much money falls out of our pockets) is a big turn-off. Would love to hear experiences from someone who has for example tried both Workable and Lever.

nsp 9y ago
We've tried both greenhouse and lever, using greenhouse now, both were in the $300-$500/mo for the company, no limits on team size or number of job listings as far as I can remember. Honestly I was expecting much more for call us pricing. (We're a 50 person company, were probably ~35 when we started using applicant tracking systems)
skuhn 9y ago
Stay away from Lever. It's a slick web application along the lines of the fanciness of Asana's interface. What it isn't is a sane applicant tracking system. It doesn't reliably notify you when candidates apply. It supports virtually zero job board integrations. It very much wants you to adapt to it, with very little support for the other way around. The interface is over-complicated to the point of being unusable for anyone who isn't committed to spending hours a week in it. I have never used an ATS that I actually liked, but the failings of Lever make it pretty special in terms of ATS hatred. It isn't particularly expensive though, despite their opaque pricing. Most ATSes seem to price ~10 open reqs around $300/mo or so. Where the real expense comes in is usually the job board listing fees -- but since Lever barely supports any job boards, you don't have to worry about that!
- Lery1934 9y ago
  All true. And to be honest I have always been very turned off by their boastful "We only hire 50/50 Male/Female developer team." It's so in your face, it's like "why not hire the best person for the job?" Or when I see their internal job ads here, its like "Gee, I wonder if this is for a Male engineering role or a Female engineering role," or "Hope they didn't hire a bunch of dudes last week." So for a variety of reasons I am an anti-advocate for Lever; I will never have business with them and I have successfully pointed several companies to better ATS.
  - jmtame 9y ago
    What's wrong with a company stating its mission to hire a diverse workforce? It's pretty hard to hire for diversity, especially if you're not explicit about it.
    - literallycancer 9y ago
      What's wrong with it is that it's gender discrimination.
  - cdno9 9y ago
    I've never seen the claim made that Lever only hires for 50/50 male/female developer teams. Can you cite a source on that?
    - Lery1934 9y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12353146 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12353146
      - cdno9 9y ago
        Nowhere in that does it imply let alone flat out state that the Engineering team is 50/50 or that the focus is on achieving a 50/50...
  - siissussjskk 9y ago
    Who says they aren't hiring quality candidates? Saying you are maintaining a 50:50 team just means you continue searching for a qualified man or woman to maintain the ratio instead of settling for someone overrepresented in the industry.
    - TulliusCicero 9y ago
      It's not entirely clear to me how that wouldn't be illegal.
    - 9y ago
- zmillman 9y ago
  How recently have you used Lever? The job board integrations got a lot better near the end of last year
  - skuhn 9y ago
    Today. Here is the job board integration from Lever [1], taken directly from my Lever account. Here is the job board integration from JobScore [2][3][4], taken directly from my JobScore account. I wouldn't say that JobScore is necessarily all that great either, but it does certain basic things that Lever has punted on. And yes, that's right. It took me 3 screenshots to fit all of the JobScore integrations in. Granted, Lever does have a lot more sourcing firm integrations, but that isn't my use case and it doesn't provide value to me. [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/cf8njn0v0m0hm7e/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.20.19.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/cf8njn0v0m0hm7e/Screenshot%202017-... [2] https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ad31qzmj5gxnp1/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.17.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ad31qzmj5gxnp1/Screenshot%202017-... [3] https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfk6kx18666pqzv/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.28.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfk6kx18666pqzv/Screenshot%202017-... [4] https://www.dropbox.com/s/f429p5r8c2z4uui/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.38.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/f429p5r8c2z4uui/Screenshot%202017-...
- jmtame 9y ago
  "It doesn't reliably notify you when candidates apply." I get e-mailed every time candidates apply for a role I'm following. I actually disagree with most of what you're writing and I've been on it nearly full-time for the past few months. Lever has been awesome, coming from Greenhouse. It's also a much newer product, so as another commenter pointed out, it sounds like you missed some of the features that might have been more recently added.
  - skuhn 9y ago
    It does notify by e-mail, sometimes to some people. I am a 'Follower' on every currently open job req, and a 'Hiring manager' on a few of the reqs. I'm not a 'posting owner' on any of the current reqs. There are 13 open applicants today, and I received e-mail notifications for zero of them. This has been a recurring, long term problem with Lever -- and my company has used it for 3+ years (and still does, although we are finally transitioning off). It's to the point where it's someone's job to log into Lever every 2-3 days and nag hiring managers to respond to applicants -- and the hiring managers almost never know that they have applicants based solely on Lever. Lever's preferred use case is also to have full access to Google Apps e-mail accounts, to provide end-to-end e-mail capture for when you talk to candidates. In theory maybe I want that behavior, but I really don't want to grant that control. I'm glad that Lever works for you, but it really doesn't work for me. Using it is honestly one of the biggest mistakes we made as a company, and it's irrational that we stuck with it for so long (out of a sense that all ATSes suck so what's the point). It's never worked well for us, and it is fundamentally not the right product fit for us. I'm surprised to hear that it is the right fit for anyone, but it sounds like you have had a very different experience with it. For my company, I can say with certainty that we have missed out on candidates, had an overall harder time in the hiring process, and had a MUCH harder time sourcing candidates due to its poor job board integration. That said, if you like Lever, don't let me stop you from continuing to like and use it.
    - foobaw 9y ago
      What is your company transitioning to?
- rcheu 9y ago
  As a developer who gives interviews, I enjoy using Lever. It's very easy to use for getting information on candidates and providing feedback on interview performance. I haven't heard any complaints from the recruiting team either, so it seems to work at least reasonably well for them too. They might not have integrations with other job boards, but as someone interviewing, I prefer that since Lever had the best application interfaces of any job application site.
thenipper 9y ago
I haven't used them but I manage an ATS for a large international company. Recruiterbox is good and has upfront pricing. Jazz is decent as well. We use Jobvite ourselves and like it.
mattcantstop 9y ago
Our company used Lever previously and switched to Greenhouse. I used both tools and far prefer Greenhouse. Lever's UI was so difficult to use. I wouldn't say Greenhouse is great software, but it is certainly preferable to Lever, in my view.
deedubaya 9y ago
Shameless plug. https://www.hireloop.io/#pricing https://www.hireloop.io/#pricing -- get a demo simply by creating an account.
nateps 9y ago
Hi there! I'm Nate, Founder and CTO of Lever. Appreciate your feedback! As you've discovered, many B2B companies that primarily sell via inside or field sales do not post their pricing directly. Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful, because these products do have very different capabilities. We provide a consultative sales approach, listening carefully to what a prospect is looking to achieve with their talent acquisition strategy. Lever's products are different. We believe that in order predictably master your hiring goals, you must go beyond applicants and get in front of the best candidates for your company. You must go outbound with referrals, sourcing, and more—speaking to the people that are the very best fit for your team's needs. Applicants are a vital piece of the puzzle, and Lever absolutely provides all of the features that applicant focused products provide. However, those features are seamlessly integrated into Lever Hire, which is a full CRM for job candidates + an applicant tracking system. We recently posted a piece describing how the Shopify team has used Lever to grow from a a few hundred to over 1900 employees. Sourcing was a key part of their strategy. https://www.lever.co/blog/how-shopify-revolutionized-proactive-sourcing https://www.lever.co/blog/how-shopify-revolutionized-proacti...
- dgemm 9y ago
  > Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful It is helpful and advantageous for the vendor only, which is why customers are so turned off by it.
- s73ver 9y ago
  "Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful, because these products do have very different capabilities." Which you can easily list, with the prices next to them. Look, I have never, ever, ever found it more helpful to talk to a sales person than to see an actual price sheet. Never. If I don't like the price, but it's just outside my budget, I can call you and see what you can do. If it's so far outside of my budget, then talking to you is a waste of both your time and mine.
  - 9y ago
peteretep 9y ago
I know this space well. I like Recruitee.
- sah2ed 9y ago
  Could you compare and contrast the ones you've tried and why you eventually settled on Recruitee?
Peroni 9y ago
Used Workable, Greenhouse and Lever extensively over the past few years and my recommendation would definitely depend on the size of your company. If you're fewer than 200 people, then I categorically recommend Workable. Anything larger and Greenhouse tends to edge it for me. Lever is pretty awful regardless to be honest.
itsdrewmiller 9y ago
Jazz has up front pricing and we have been very happy with it. https://www.jazzhr.com/pricing/ https://www.jazzhr.com/pricing/
mbesto 9y ago
I'm pretty sure Lever and Greenhouse have price gouged in the past (anchored against the price of hiring expensive developers), so I've basically stayed away from them. It's ridiculous to spend thousands of dollars for an ATS, especially if your hiring needs fluctuate (which many do). Workable is honestly great. Super simple and straight forward pricing. Couldn't recommend it more and have it used in two separate places.
moritzplassnig 9y ago
Does anybody in this thread have more information about Google Hire's pricing? I emailed Google twice, and they weren't willing to share it so far ("attend this webinar to learn more").
mtheodoulou 9y ago
I use Workable (about 50 people in our company) and it isn't perfect, but it is very good compared to the competition. Support is responsive as well. It isn't cripplingly expensive. Overall I'd recommend it.
Mindphreaker 9y ago
Have you heard about https://prescreen.io/ https://prescreen.io/ ? We too have a clear pricing. ;) Full disclosure, I'm one of the co-founders.

nsp 9y ago

We've tried both greenhouse and lever, using greenhouse now, both were in the $300-$500/mo for the company, no limits on team size or number of job listings as far as I can remember. Honestly I was expecting much more for call us pricing. (We're a 50 person company, were probably ~35 when we started using applicant tracking systems)

skuhn 9y ago

Stay away from Lever. It's a slick web application along the lines of the fanciness of Asana's interface. What it isn't is a sane applicant tracking system. It doesn't reliably notify you when candidates apply. It supports virtually zero job board integrations. It very much wants you to adapt to it, with very little support for the other way around. The interface is over-complicated to the point of being unusable for anyone who isn't committed to spending hours a week in it. I have never used an ATS that I actually liked, but the failings of Lever make it pretty special in terms of ATS hatred. It isn't particularly expensive though, despite their opaque pricing. Most ATSes seem to price ~10 open reqs around $300/mo or so. Where the real expense comes in is usually the job board listing fees -- but since Lever barely supports any job boards, you don't have to worry about that!

Lery1934 9y ago
All true. And to be honest I have always been very turned off by their boastful "We only hire 50/50 Male/Female developer team." It's so in your face, it's like "why not hire the best person for the job?" Or when I see their internal job ads here, its like "Gee, I wonder if this is for a Male engineering role or a Female engineering role," or "Hope they didn't hire a bunch of dudes last week." So for a variety of reasons I am an anti-advocate for Lever; I will never have business with them and I have successfully pointed several companies to better ATS.
- jmtame 9y ago
  What's wrong with a company stating its mission to hire a diverse workforce? It's pretty hard to hire for diversity, especially if you're not explicit about it.
  - literallycancer 9y ago
    What's wrong with it is that it's gender discrimination.
- cdno9 9y ago
  I've never seen the claim made that Lever only hires for 50/50 male/female developer teams. Can you cite a source on that?
  - Lery1934 9y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12353146 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12353146
    - cdno9 9y ago
      Nowhere in that does it imply let alone flat out state that the Engineering team is 50/50 or that the focus is on achieving a 50/50...
- siissussjskk 9y ago
  Who says they aren't hiring quality candidates? Saying you are maintaining a 50:50 team just means you continue searching for a qualified man or woman to maintain the ratio instead of settling for someone overrepresented in the industry.
  - TulliusCicero 9y ago
    It's not entirely clear to me how that wouldn't be illegal.
  - 9y ago
zmillman 9y ago
How recently have you used Lever? The job board integrations got a lot better near the end of last year
- skuhn 9y ago
  Today. Here is the job board integration from Lever [1], taken directly from my Lever account. Here is the job board integration from JobScore [2][3][4], taken directly from my JobScore account. I wouldn't say that JobScore is necessarily all that great either, but it does certain basic things that Lever has punted on. And yes, that's right. It took me 3 screenshots to fit all of the JobScore integrations in. Granted, Lever does have a lot more sourcing firm integrations, but that isn't my use case and it doesn't provide value to me. [1] https://www.dropbox.com/s/cf8njn0v0m0hm7e/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.20.19.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/cf8njn0v0m0hm7e/Screenshot%202017-... [2] https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ad31qzmj5gxnp1/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.17.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ad31qzmj5gxnp1/Screenshot%202017-... [3] https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfk6kx18666pqzv/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.28.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/tfk6kx18666pqzv/Screenshot%202017-... [4] https://www.dropbox.com/s/f429p5r8c2z4uui/Screenshot%202017-07-18%2013.21.38.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/f429p5r8c2z4uui/Screenshot%202017-...
jmtame 9y ago
"It doesn't reliably notify you when candidates apply." I get e-mailed every time candidates apply for a role I'm following. I actually disagree with most of what you're writing and I've been on it nearly full-time for the past few months. Lever has been awesome, coming from Greenhouse. It's also a much newer product, so as another commenter pointed out, it sounds like you missed some of the features that might have been more recently added.
- skuhn 9y ago
  It does notify by e-mail, sometimes to some people. I am a 'Follower' on every currently open job req, and a 'Hiring manager' on a few of the reqs. I'm not a 'posting owner' on any of the current reqs. There are 13 open applicants today, and I received e-mail notifications for zero of them. This has been a recurring, long term problem with Lever -- and my company has used it for 3+ years (and still does, although we are finally transitioning off). It's to the point where it's someone's job to log into Lever every 2-3 days and nag hiring managers to respond to applicants -- and the hiring managers almost never know that they have applicants based solely on Lever. Lever's preferred use case is also to have full access to Google Apps e-mail accounts, to provide end-to-end e-mail capture for when you talk to candidates. In theory maybe I want that behavior, but I really don't want to grant that control. I'm glad that Lever works for you, but it really doesn't work for me. Using it is honestly one of the biggest mistakes we made as a company, and it's irrational that we stuck with it for so long (out of a sense that all ATSes suck so what's the point). It's never worked well for us, and it is fundamentally not the right product fit for us. I'm surprised to hear that it is the right fit for anyone, but it sounds like you have had a very different experience with it. For my company, I can say with certainty that we have missed out on candidates, had an overall harder time in the hiring process, and had a MUCH harder time sourcing candidates due to its poor job board integration. That said, if you like Lever, don't let me stop you from continuing to like and use it.
  - foobaw 9y ago
    What is your company transitioning to?
rcheu 9y ago
As a developer who gives interviews, I enjoy using Lever. It's very easy to use for getting information on candidates and providing feedback on interview performance. I haven't heard any complaints from the recruiting team either, so it seems to work at least reasonably well for them too. They might not have integrations with other job boards, but as someone interviewing, I prefer that since Lever had the best application interfaces of any job application site.

thenipper 9y ago

I haven't used them but I manage an ATS for a large international company. Recruiterbox is good and has upfront pricing. Jazz is decent as well. We use Jobvite ourselves and like it.

mattcantstop 9y ago

Our company used Lever previously and switched to Greenhouse. I used both tools and far prefer Greenhouse. Lever's UI was so difficult to use. I wouldn't say Greenhouse is great software, but it is certainly preferable to Lever, in my view.

deedubaya 9y ago

Shameless plug. https://www.hireloop.io/#pricing https://www.hireloop.io/#pricing -- get a demo simply by creating an account.

nateps 9y ago

Hi there! I'm Nate, Founder and CTO of Lever. Appreciate your feedback! As you've discovered, many B2B companies that primarily sell via inside or field sales do not post their pricing directly. Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful, because these products do have very different capabilities. We provide a consultative sales approach, listening carefully to what a prospect is looking to achieve with their talent acquisition strategy. Lever's products are different. We believe that in order predictably master your hiring goals, you must go beyond applicants and get in front of the best candidates for your company. You must go outbound with referrals, sourcing, and more—speaking to the people that are the very best fit for your team's needs. Applicants are a vital piece of the puzzle, and Lever absolutely provides all of the features that applicant focused products provide. However, those features are seamlessly integrated into Lever Hire, which is a full CRM for job candidates + an applicant tracking system. We recently posted a piece describing how the Shopify team has used Lever to grow from a a few hundred to over 1900 employees. Sourcing was a key part of their strategy. https://www.lever.co/blog/how-shopify-revolutionized-proactive-sourcing https://www.lever.co/blog/how-shopify-revolutionized-proacti...

dgemm 9y ago
> Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful It is helpful and advantageous for the vendor only, which is why customers are so turned off by it.
s73ver 9y ago
"Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful, because these products do have very different capabilities." Which you can easily list, with the prices next to them. Look, I have never, ever, ever found it more helpful to talk to a sales person than to see an actual price sheet. Never. If I don't like the price, but it's just outside my budget, I can call you and see what you can do. If it's so far outside of my budget, then talking to you is a waste of both your time and mine.
- 9y ago

peteretep 9y ago

I know this space well. I like Recruitee.

sah2ed 9y ago
Could you compare and contrast the ones you've tried and why you eventually settled on Recruitee?

Peroni 9y ago

Used Workable, Greenhouse and Lever extensively over the past few years and my recommendation would definitely depend on the size of your company. If you're fewer than 200 people, then I categorically recommend Workable. Anything larger and Greenhouse tends to edge it for me. Lever is pretty awful regardless to be honest.

itsdrewmiller 9y ago

Jazz has up front pricing and we have been very happy with it. https://www.jazzhr.com/pricing/ https://www.jazzhr.com/pricing/

mbesto 9y ago

I'm pretty sure Lever and Greenhouse have price gouged in the past (anchored against the price of hiring expensive developers), so I've basically stayed away from them. It's ridiculous to spend thousands of dollars for an ATS, especially if your hiring needs fluctuate (which many do). Workable is honestly great. Super simple and straight forward pricing. Couldn't recommend it more and have it used in two separate places.

moritzplassnig 9y ago

Does anybody in this thread have more information about Google Hire's pricing? I emailed Google twice, and they weren't willing to share it so far ("attend this webinar to learn more").

mtheodoulou 9y ago

I use Workable (about 50 people in our company) and it isn't perfect, but it is very good compared to the competition. Support is responsive as well. It isn't cripplingly expensive. Overall I'd recommend it.

Mindphreaker 9y ago

Have you heard about https://prescreen.io/ https://prescreen.io/ ? We too have a clear pricing. ;) Full disclosure, I'm one of the co-founders.