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You're correct. It's crazy what you can do when you don't bundle 8 zillion MB of C in your install. Rebol is the original parent language, but it doesn't have a

You're correct. It's crazy what you can do when you don't bundle 8 zillion MB of C in your install. Rebol is the original parent language, but it doesn't have a system language to compile to, just a < 5 MB interpreter that you could do a lot with. Neat little languages. The creator wanted to take Rebol and write a version that would be the first true "Full Stack" language covering everything from desktop GUI to building OS, to highly advanced parsing, to robotics. If you google it, there is a nice interview with Red's primary author Nenad Rackocevic (forgive spelling) that is from ~2015, but still should be accurate. Interview: https://notamonadtutorial.com/interview-with-nenad-rakocevic-about-red-a-rebol-inspired-programming-language-681133e3fd1c https://notamonadtutorial.com/interview-with-nenad-rakocevic...

ASipos 9y ago
Offtopic nitpick: I never understood stuff like writing "forgive spelling" or "sp?" when the correct spelling is a Google away.
- rendall 9y ago
  I'd rather have misspelled information than not have it. Some folks might be on a mobile device with an interface that makes it difficult to switch to another window. Or perhaps they are offline when they're writing it. Or perhaps they have mobility / accessibility issues that makes switching a challenge. Those are off the top of my head. To my mind, worrying about someone's spelling when I can understand them perfectly is one of those "life's too short" issues, speeking personaly.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >Some folks might be on a mobile device with an interface that makes it difficult to switch to another window. Or perhaps they are offline when they're writing it. Or perhaps they have mobility / accessibility issues that makes switching a challenge. Those are off the top of my head. There's also momentum. They want to go write a quick comment and type their thoughts as they come -- not stop and Google things.
    - greggirwin 9y ago
      This is certainly how I am sometimes. I will stop to check things, but it breaks the flow. And, as comments here point out, docs are a big issue. What isn't always clear is how much effort they take to create. With a small team, it's a constant struggle for where to allocate resources. Right now, Red's priorities are based on deliverable functionality.
      - throwaway7645 9y ago
        Thanks Greg! That is well understood and fine by me. I just don't want to see Red's doc to end up like Rebol's. Honestly, it is probably a non-trivial factor for why it never took off.
        greggirwin 9y ago
        Still, https://doc.red-lang.org/en/ https://doc.red-lang.org/en/ has some nice docs, and more are in the works.
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- throwaway7645 9y ago
  As the comments suggest below: Googling isn't worth it on a mobile device and it interrupts the train of thought.
draegtun 9y ago
>> just a < 5 MB interpreter that you could do a lot with Just to note that Rebol 2 is below 1 MB. Depending on platform, Core is normally below 300K and View is around 600-800K - http://www.rebol.com/downloads.html http://www.rebol.com/downloads.html Unfortunately Rebol 3 (Ren/C branch) is a little beefier at this moment :( The non debug version is usually between 1.2 & 1.9 MB - http://metaeducation.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html http://metaeducation.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html This Rebol 3 size will shrink. Currently there is development on build & extension process which will help. NB. There's been a big refactoring/redesign of the Rebol 3 interpreter in last couple of years so there maybe (still) some artefacts from many forks/merging of codebase that could also be shaken out.

ASipos 9y ago

Offtopic nitpick: I never understood stuff like writing "forgive spelling" or "sp?" when the correct spelling is a Google away.

rendall 9y ago
I'd rather have misspelled information than not have it. Some folks might be on a mobile device with an interface that makes it difficult to switch to another window. Or perhaps they are offline when they're writing it. Or perhaps they have mobility / accessibility issues that makes switching a challenge. Those are off the top of my head. To my mind, worrying about someone's spelling when I can understand them perfectly is one of those "life's too short" issues, speeking personaly.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >Some folks might be on a mobile device with an interface that makes it difficult to switch to another window. Or perhaps they are offline when they're writing it. Or perhaps they have mobility / accessibility issues that makes switching a challenge. Those are off the top of my head. There's also momentum. They want to go write a quick comment and type their thoughts as they come -- not stop and Google things.
  - greggirwin 9y ago
    This is certainly how I am sometimes. I will stop to check things, but it breaks the flow. And, as comments here point out, docs are a big issue. What isn't always clear is how much effort they take to create. With a small team, it's a constant struggle for where to allocate resources. Right now, Red's priorities are based on deliverable functionality.
    - throwaway7645 9y ago
      Thanks Greg! That is well understood and fine by me. I just don't want to see Red's doc to end up like Rebol's. Honestly, it is probably a non-trivial factor for why it never took off.
      - greggirwin 9y ago
        Still, https://doc.red-lang.org/en/ https://doc.red-lang.org/en/ has some nice docs, and more are in the works.
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throwaway7645 9y ago
As the comments suggest below: Googling isn't worth it on a mobile device and it interrupts the train of thought.

draegtun 9y ago

>> just a < 5 MB interpreter that you could do a lot with Just to note that Rebol 2 is below 1 MB. Depending on platform, Core is normally below 300K and View is around 600-800K - http://www.rebol.com/downloads.html http://www.rebol.com/downloads.html Unfortunately Rebol 3 (Ren/C branch) is a little beefier at this moment :( The non debug version is usually between 1.2 & 1.9 MB - http://metaeducation.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html http://metaeducation.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html This Rebol 3 size will shrink. Currently there is development on build & extension process which will help. NB. There's been a big refactoring/redesign of the Rebol 3 interpreter in last couple of years so there maybe (still) some artefacts from many forks/merging of codebase that could also be shaken out.