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I strongly disagree with Point #2. How we interact with our environment contributes greatly to how we perceive the world. Intelligence that is synthesized out

by fiaz 19y ago

I strongly disagree with Point #2. How we interact with our environment contributes greatly to how we perceive the world. Intelligence that is synthesized outside of natural processes (I think the term "AI" is paradoxical when describing super-human intelligence) will require means of interacting with the environment in the same way we require our bodies. It would be evolutionarily advantageous for a superhuman intelligence to devise better ways of grasping/flying/swimming in order to expand upon the existing knowledge base that it would acquire. Also from the perspective of experienced-based knowledge having a "body" would be invaluable. In other words, reading books and doing thought experiments do not contribute to our intelligence as much as these things in combination with experimentation and interaction with our real world through what our bodies can manifest. If a super human intelligence does come into consciousness, then it's possible that it would see the advantage of this... Could you please elaborate upon Point #1?

pchristensen 19y ago
If you boil down what the brain really does, it chooses actions based on experience and inputs. If we want an AI that will operate in the real world, then yes, it will need some sort of body so it can learn how the world works (physics simulations are nowhere near as complete as the real world is). If we want an AI that makes financial predictions, then streaming in stock prices, financial reports, news data, etc is enough input and no body is necessary. An AI that isn't going to produce any physical action doesn't necessarily need to learn physical movements, etc. Having said that, physical environment simulations are ahead of where AIs are right now so they're a good place to start.
- fiaz 19y ago
  But limiting an intelligence to simply making financial decisions is not the type of intelligence Kurzweil is talking about. What you are describing is much more limited than what "strong AI" is actually supposed to be. You bring up an EXCELLENT point about robotics being more advanced than AI.
  - pchristensen 19y ago
    True, I think the discussion was about the broader AI, but Kurzweil is all about AGI.

by fiaz 19y ago

pchristensen 19y ago

If you boil down what the brain really does, it chooses actions based on experience and inputs. If we want an AI that will operate in the real world, then yes, it will need some sort of body so it can learn how the world works (physics simulations are nowhere near as complete as the real world is). If we want an AI that makes financial predictions, then streaming in stock prices, financial reports, news data, etc is enough input and no body is necessary. An AI that isn't going to produce any physical action doesn't necessarily need to learn physical movements, etc. Having said that, physical environment simulations are ahead of where AIs are right now so they're a good place to start.

fiaz 19y ago
But limiting an intelligence to simply making financial decisions is not the type of intelligence Kurzweil is talking about. What you are describing is much more limited than what "strong AI" is actually supposed to be. You bring up an EXCELLENT point about robotics being more advanced than AI.
- pchristensen 19y ago
  True, I think the discussion was about the broader AI, but Kurzweil is all about AGI.