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I've lost this much weight via traditional means before, and I will say that keto is very different. Your sleep improves, and overall focus is better. The weig

I've lost this much weight via traditional means before, and I will say that keto is very different. Your sleep improves, and overall focus is better. The weight loss certainly helps. But for me, keto does something different.

komali2 9y ago
This illustrates my problem with "the keto phenomena" (also including Atkins and its ilk). My problem is because my parents have been on the Atkins diet for about 5 years now. They objectively have lost weight, they claim to feel much better, more energetic, etc. I don't have a way to argue that this could just be because they are healthier, fitter, and slimmer now. That the reason could just as easily be because they consume less calories and a no-longer-absurd amount of carbs. To them, it's all because of Atkins. The reason I have a problem with it is that I'm not convinced that long-term, severe carb restriction (and the consequential increase in fat in the diet) is healthy. Their cholesterol is rising, they are consuming alarming amounts of high-fat foods such as bacon and butter, and I don't think they ever actually learned how to "diet" because they still eat a lot, but because it's low carb, they don't gain weight. They still drink and eat a lot of "sweet food," because they never tackled those cravings, just instead of sugar now they get aspertain or whatever it's called. Lots of coke zero, atkins bars, etc. I can't find any evidence that long term atkins dieting is unhealthy, so I can't convincingly link the increase in cholesterol (or convince them that high cholesterol levels are unhealthy) or increase in kidney stones to their diet. To them if I ever am able to point out a negative change before and after their diet, it's simply due to old age (kidney stones for example).
- Baeocystin 9y ago
  The increased kidney stone problem is a real risk. You can help minimize it by taking citrate ion supplementation, which is available in prescription slow-release, or cheap OTC regular tablets. My doctor recommended it when I started keto years ago, and so far so good. I would do it anyway, as I've had a kidney stone again, and holy hell I do not want to experience that twice if at all possible! Regarding cholesterol levels: make sure they get a full vertical profile, not just a calculated one. If their overall levels are higher, but it's from HDL, and the amount of LDL or VLDL is low, there is no associated increase in cardiac risk. FWIW.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Your sleep improves Your sleep may have improved, but that's not generalizable. People have extremely different reactions to keto.

komali2 9y ago

This illustrates my problem with "the keto phenomena" (also including Atkins and its ilk). My problem is because my parents have been on the Atkins diet for about 5 years now. They objectively have lost weight, they claim to feel much better, more energetic, etc. I don't have a way to argue that this could just be because they are healthier, fitter, and slimmer now. That the reason could just as easily be because they consume less calories and a no-longer-absurd amount of carbs. To them, it's all because of Atkins. The reason I have a problem with it is that I'm not convinced that long-term, severe carb restriction (and the consequential increase in fat in the diet) is healthy. Their cholesterol is rising, they are consuming alarming amounts of high-fat foods such as bacon and butter, and I don't think they ever actually learned how to "diet" because they still eat a lot, but because it's low carb, they don't gain weight. They still drink and eat a lot of "sweet food," because they never tackled those cravings, just instead of sugar now they get aspertain or whatever it's called. Lots of coke zero, atkins bars, etc. I can't find any evidence that long term atkins dieting is unhealthy, so I can't convincingly link the increase in cholesterol (or convince them that high cholesterol levels are unhealthy) or increase in kidney stones to their diet. To them if I ever am able to point out a negative change before and after their diet, it's simply due to old age (kidney stones for example).

Baeocystin 9y ago
The increased kidney stone problem is a real risk. You can help minimize it by taking citrate ion supplementation, which is available in prescription slow-release, or cheap OTC regular tablets. My doctor recommended it when I started keto years ago, and so far so good. I would do it anyway, as I've had a kidney stone again, and holy hell I do not want to experience that twice if at all possible! Regarding cholesterol levels: make sure they get a full vertical profile, not just a calculated one. If their overall levels are higher, but it's from HDL, and the amount of LDL or VLDL is low, there is no associated increase in cardiac risk. FWIW.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> Your sleep improves Your sleep may have improved, but that's not generalizable. People have extremely different reactions to keto.