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"In the end, “low-carb” meant about 30 percent carbs and 45 percent fat, while “low-fat” was about 29 percent fat and 48 percent carbs." Does anyone who advoca

"In the end, “low-carb” meant about 30 percent carbs and 45 percent fat, while “low-fat” was about 29 percent fat and 48 percent carbs." Does anyone who advocates a low carb diet consider 30% of calories from carbohydrates "low carb?" In a 1600 calorie diet (likely calorie restricted), that would be 120g of carbs.

5_minutes 9y ago
Low carb generally would be <50 grams/day. Though most enthousiasts on keto aim for <20 grams/day. So you're right, 120g is still very high. And can basically be accomplished with just not stuffing yourself with bread, pizza or fries.
- Cshelton 9y ago
  Yeah, I read the 30% amount and the study now makes sense as to why the participants had the same results. I wish they had the low carb group do < 20g carbs/day. I think they would have seen a difference. I've done the keto target at less than 5g, 10g, 15g, 20g (depending what stage you're at) carbs a day. Even increasing that number to 100g carbs a day kind of ruins that diet. The under 10g carbs a day has worked very well for me. Just remember, stay hydrated! =p
  - AstralStorm 9y ago
    The problem with grams is that everyone has different needs. So It only works as a guide. It is easier to calibrate a keto diet with a real ketone sensor. (Available at any pharmacy, used by diabetics.) Specifically increase carbs until ketosis stops then drop say 20% for margin. There's your value. Check every now and then.
projektfu 9y ago
The point was that these were the diets that people could tolerate. A 50g carbs per day diet is not something these people would continue. Both diets were still about 25-30% protein, which is quite a lot.
mikekchar 9y ago
Similarly 29% fat is not low fat. That's pretty much a "normal" diet (i.e. what the mainstream advocates). Also, the low fat diet is 23% protein - over 100 grams for the similarly restricted 1600 calorie diet. Again, that's a mainstream advocated diet. I've seen plenty of diets that advocate never going over 100 grams of protein. But, my experience with dietary studies (it's a kind of hobby of mine to read them), many have serious methodology or analysis problems. The study they are referencing is this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/28027950/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/28027950/ which you will notice is published by Elsevier -- which means I can't read it. The abstract does not fill me with confidence, as it is very light on details.
gremlinsinc 9y ago
Can vouch that's bullshit... and a crappy study. They should've done low fat vs full-on Keto and see what the results were like.. Personally, I'm aiming for 20 - 30 carbs per day now, but some days I have cheat days where I carb load a bit more, sometimes junk food, and things from food trucks, but gotta enjoy life sometimes too.. I do try to make those my heavier workout days though... I also do 15 off the stair pushups everytime I go near the stairs, and 10k steps per day. Lost 35 since May so I'm happy so far.. have 200 more pounds to go though give or take.. My goal by October is 100 total pounds off. (Currently 480).

5_minutes 9y ago

Low carb generally would be <50 grams/day. Though most enthousiasts on keto aim for <20 grams/day. So you're right, 120g is still very high. And can basically be accomplished with just not stuffing yourself with bread, pizza or fries.

Cshelton 9y ago
Yeah, I read the 30% amount and the study now makes sense as to why the participants had the same results. I wish they had the low carb group do < 20g carbs/day. I think they would have seen a difference. I've done the keto target at less than 5g, 10g, 15g, 20g (depending what stage you're at) carbs a day. Even increasing that number to 100g carbs a day kind of ruins that diet. The under 10g carbs a day has worked very well for me. Just remember, stay hydrated! =p
- AstralStorm 9y ago
  The problem with grams is that everyone has different needs. So It only works as a guide. It is easier to calibrate a keto diet with a real ketone sensor. (Available at any pharmacy, used by diabetics.) Specifically increase carbs until ketosis stops then drop say 20% for margin. There's your value. Check every now and then.

projektfu 9y ago

The point was that these were the diets that people could tolerate. A 50g carbs per day diet is not something these people would continue. Both diets were still about 25-30% protein, which is quite a lot.

mikekchar 9y ago

Similarly 29% fat is not low fat. That's pretty much a "normal" diet (i.e. what the mainstream advocates). Also, the low fat diet is 23% protein - over 100 grams for the similarly restricted 1600 calorie diet. Again, that's a mainstream advocated diet. I've seen plenty of diets that advocate never going over 100 grams of protein. But, my experience with dietary studies (it's a kind of hobby of mine to read them), many have serious methodology or analysis problems. The study they are referencing is this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/28027950/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/articles/28027950/ which you will notice is published by Elsevier -- which means I can't read it. The abstract does not fill me with confidence, as it is very light on details.

gremlinsinc 9y ago

Can vouch that's bullshit... and a crappy study. They should've done low fat vs full-on Keto and see what the results were like.. Personally, I'm aiming for 20 - 30 carbs per day now, but some days I have cheat days where I carb load a bit more, sometimes junk food, and things from food trucks, but gotta enjoy life sometimes too.. I do try to make those my heavier workout days though... I also do 15 off the stair pushups everytime I go near the stairs, and 10k steps per day. Lost 35 since May so I'm happy so far.. have 200 more pounds to go though give or take.. My goal by October is 100 total pounds off. (Currently 480).