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> You're also confusing medium and message here. We're discussing Ebert's claim that video games, the medium, can't be used to produce art, the message. I apo
by anamax 16y ago
> You're also confusing medium and message here.
We're discussing Ebert's claim that video games, the medium, can't be used to produce art, the message. I apologize for leaving out "medium" in the sentence that would have made that clear.
> There are also mediums which lack the fidelity to effectively convey porn, but which can still convey art. (Scratching in a 1x1 foot patch of sandy dirt with a stick, for example. It's easy to convey nudity or profanity on such a crude drawing surface, but none of that would turn me on.)
That might be because you're used to getting your porn in higher-fidelity. However, the first porn that most kids draw is basically scratches. Also, we're pretty sure that some "scratch fidelity" cave drawings are porn. (An alternative is that kids are/ancient folk were more abstraction-tolerant. This shouldn't be too surprising - a lot of porn works between the ears.)
- stcredzero 16y agoMaybe that's the definition of "art" - how well can it be used for porn This was the basis of my observation of medium/message confusion. The "it" which is being used is the medium and "porn" is the message. So it would seem that you are trying to define a medium as "art", which is wrong. A message transmitted via a given medium is art, not the medium in isolation. Maybe you are looking for a term like "art-capable medium." An alternative is that kids are/ancient folk were more abstraction-tolerant. I've been spoiled by years of pornographic magazines, then by high resolution images from the Internet.
- anamax 16y ago> So it would seem that you are trying to define a medium as "art", which is wrong. No, I'm not. I'm discussing Ebert's claim about the sutability of different mediums for producing art.
- stcredzero 16y agoThen what does "it" in that sentence refer to?
- anamax 16y agoMaybe that's the definition of "art medium" - how well can it be used for porn. Like I said, we're discussing Ebert's claims wrt art mediums.