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I see.. That's true. Though credit still goes to the algo for choosing that particular weird move out of the entire search space (it's just 'weird' and somethin

by kensoh 9y ago

I see.. That's true. Though credit still goes to the algo for choosing that particular weird move out of the entire search space (it's just 'weird' and something you will think is a move made by a total newbie to the game). I remembered for that whole week during lunchtime I would watch the broadcast live on YouTube. How devastated I was to see Lee Sedol losing match after match. It was a moment I would never forget, in my mind the computer had crossed an imaginary threshold and it won. I know ML/DL experts will say it is only for a very specific area. But what's stopping more mastery of enough 'specific' areas that the mastery will be broad enough to pass Turing tests?

webmaven 9y ago
Careful, that's the sort of thinking that led to the last 'AI Winter': assuming that if enough rule-based expert systems were built, general-purpose systems could be assembled from them and/or enough could be learned to build general-purpose systems. Now, it is worth noting that DL models are already being assembled together (often with a coordinating DL model to switch between them). This can have the advantage of the smaller models being reusable to some extent (certainly more than expert systems ever were) but is not a panacea. The results are still essentially bespoke models rather than general purpose ones. Deep Learning obviously has a lot more mileage left in it, given that much human mental labor is 'just' training and using our general-purpose intellects for what amount to a series of rather narrowly defined tasks, but it won't surprise me if there is a wall of some sort lurking just over the horizon that will require a different approach (albeit one that may still be called 'deep learning') to cross. OTOH, it does seem as though the folks at DeepMind are fairly aggressively pursuing whatever is on the other side of that particular horizon: https://deepmind.com/blog/neural-approach-relational-reasoning/ https://deepmind.com/blog/neural-approach-relational-reasoni... https://deepmind.com/blog/cognitive-psychology/ https://deepmind.com/blog/cognitive-psychology/ https://deepmind.com/blog/imagine-creating-new-visual-concepts-recombining-familiar-ones/ https://deepmind.com/blog/imagine-creating-new-visual-concep...
- eanzenberg 9y ago
  We can debate, but I don't think another AI winter will happen again in my lifetime. AI work is just earning way too much money for its funding to get cut, and a lot of funding is currently private too.
  - Aaliyah- 9y ago
    I just got paid $6784 working off my laptop this month. And if you think that's cool, my divorced friend has twin toddlers and made over $9k her first month. It feels so good making so much money when other people have to work for so much less. This is what I do,: :) AND GOOD LUCK.:) ►►www.joinmate2.comCOPY THE LINK
  - webmaven 9y ago
    I wasn't arguing for another AI Winter per-se. My warning was more along the lines of pointing out a potential personal "career winter".
    - Lesley344 9y ago
      My mothers neighbour is working part time and averaging $9000 a month. I'm a single mum and just got my first paycheck for $6546! I still can't believe it. I tried it out cause I got really desperate and now I couldn't be happier. Heres what I do, •••••••••>> http://cutt.us/7N2sG http://cutt.us/7N2sG
  - sjg007 9y ago
    I'd be surprised to see inductive learning anytime soon. But I definitely see the next generation of AI systems, robots and their implementation across industry. But that will rapidly fill out and then we will still be left with self determination.

by kensoh 9y ago

webmaven 9y ago

Careful, that's the sort of thinking that led to the last 'AI Winter': assuming that if enough rule-based expert systems were built, general-purpose systems could be assembled from them and/or enough could be learned to build general-purpose systems. Now, it is worth noting that DL models are already being assembled together (often with a coordinating DL model to switch between them). This can have the advantage of the smaller models being reusable to some extent (certainly more than expert systems ever were) but is not a panacea. The results are still essentially bespoke models rather than general purpose ones. Deep Learning obviously has a lot more mileage left in it, given that much human mental labor is 'just' training and using our general-purpose intellects for what amount to a series of rather narrowly defined tasks, but it won't surprise me if there is a wall of some sort lurking just over the horizon that will require a different approach (albeit one that may still be called 'deep learning') to cross. OTOH, it does seem as though the folks at DeepMind are fairly aggressively pursuing whatever is on the other side of that particular horizon: https://deepmind.com/blog/neural-approach-relational-reasoning/ https://deepmind.com/blog/neural-approach-relational-reasoni... https://deepmind.com/blog/cognitive-psychology/ https://deepmind.com/blog/cognitive-psychology/ https://deepmind.com/blog/imagine-creating-new-visual-concepts-recombining-familiar-ones/ https://deepmind.com/blog/imagine-creating-new-visual-concep...

eanzenberg 9y ago
We can debate, but I don't think another AI winter will happen again in my lifetime. AI work is just earning way too much money for its funding to get cut, and a lot of funding is currently private too.
- Aaliyah- 9y ago
  I just got paid $6784 working off my laptop this month. And if you think that's cool, my divorced friend has twin toddlers and made over $9k her first month. It feels so good making so much money when other people have to work for so much less. This is what I do,: :) AND GOOD LUCK.:) ►►www.joinmate2.comCOPY THE LINK
- webmaven 9y ago
  I wasn't arguing for another AI Winter per-se. My warning was more along the lines of pointing out a potential personal "career winter".
  - Lesley344 9y ago
    My mothers neighbour is working part time and averaging $9000 a month. I'm a single mum and just got my first paycheck for $6546! I still can't believe it. I tried it out cause I got really desperate and now I couldn't be happier. Heres what I do, •••••••••>> http://cutt.us/7N2sG http://cutt.us/7N2sG
- sjg007 9y ago
  I'd be surprised to see inductive learning anytime soon. But I definitely see the next generation of AI systems, robots and their implementation across industry. But that will rapidly fill out and then we will still be left with self determination.