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"Wow! You're telling me that if I send out a job posting for interns, not only am I supporting a "systematic evil in the job market" but they have "no choice"?
by _pi 16y ago
"Wow! You're telling me that if I send out a job posting for interns, not only am I supporting a "systematic evil in the job market" but they have "no choice"? Really? First, what systematic evil are you referring to? Second, nobody is holding a gun to their heads. They have a choice. Do you want to give up some of your time for a chance to learn something? Yes or no. There's no duping involved. It's laid out. Also, at the end of the post, I clearly state that anybody offering an internship program SHOULD offer some sort of fiscal or other reward if the intern performs well."
Actually because of the economic situation in the United States people who don't have senior level experience in the job market take unpaid internships at companies because they think that they would be better selected for a position in that company.These people have to eat somehow. It's not morally right to send out internships and get these kinds of people, and then hire them. Or try to create a job market such as that while maximizing your own profits off of these people. It's almost equivocal to outsourcing, only outsourcing. I'm sure you haven't had these kinds of people ask you for a job, but keep in mind that does happen. Not only that but many internships even GSoC are an outright insult for free labor.
For instance the projects for Facebook in GSoC this year were ridiculous, they wanted college kids to build entire SMTP servers for their platforms, or drop in a replacement for libcurl, or at least code one, in one summer. Honestly if you ask me those tasks seem way over the level of students because they are broad projects requiring a team of developers to test for rigor in the system. They aren't the only company who pulls stunts like this, there are worse companies who want this done for free.
"As for the line you quote: in context, it's written from the perspective of the intern - not the employer. I'll concede that it wasn't entirely obvious, though. :)"
This also emphasizes my point about the person's view of themselves. No on wants to be a slave, doing "grunt work", just for a glittering hint of networking.
- travisro 16y agoDo you have any sort of data to back up the claim that people are taking internships and going hungry because they don't have senior-level experience? I would think that it being a "systemic evil" would certainly warrant at least a few newsworthy articles or stories. Besides, nobody is arguing that something like that would be a morally acceptable situation or that people engage in that type of activity. As for GSoC, again...voluntary. The kids have fun and they earn monetary rewards for their work.
- _pi 16y agoHere you go [1]. It doesn't matter if the work is voluntary, I voluntarily buy a product but if the company knows it's faulty and sells it to me anyway that's wrong. If the company knows that the job is unfair, and is using it as free labor that is wrong. The point is what's morally wrong and in some cases... illegal to the point the feds have to get involved [2]. [1] http://wbztv.com/local/Adult.internship.experience.2.1763471.html http://wbztv.com/local/Adult.internship.experience.2.1763471... [2] http://www.cartoonbrew.com/student/most-unpaid-internships-are-illegal.html http://www.cartoonbrew.com/student/most-unpaid-internships-a...