> I'm talking about lasting, unambiguous, not-up-for-debate physical changes that are still present more than fifteen years later. Was it back pain? I distinc

> I'm talking about lasting, unambiguous, not-up-for-debate physical changes that are still present more than fifteen years later. Was it back pain? I distinctly remember a study concluding that acupuncture was indeed effective at treating back pain (but not a host of other tested symptoms, and needle positioning didn't matter, which kinda discredits the philosophy behind it).