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Almost certainly Google Drive unlimited.
by evook 9y ago
Almost certainly Google Drive unlimited.
- spookyuser 9y agoI guess soundcloud is technically using Google Cloud now...
- syshum 9y agoAnd this is how Google Drive Unlimited becomes Google Drive Limited... Like every other Unlimited service, because people like this abuse the shit out of it then when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited"
- nextlevelwizard 9y agoWhile this is clearly abusing intent behind the "unlimited" sales pitch, I still do not think it's in violation of it. There's also most likely more than just this guy owning copy of the files from SoundCloud, so once Google has copy of them all they can just cache it for the rest of the people. I.e. you don't need unique files for every user who has some file, instead you can just give out the one to anyone who requests it.
- milankragujevic 9y agoYeah, except people on DataHoarder encrypt their files so that the providers can't store one copy per unique file but have to store one copy per one file in any user's account.
- rangibaby 9y agoWhyyy?
- giancarlostoro 9y agoIs there a valid reason for this aside from making sure if they delete it once, they don't delete it everywhere? Now I see the true issue against datahoarders... Wasting more space than needed to account for a situation that their own actions kinda put them under...
- apetresc 9y agoI'll go ahead and state the obvious – it's because the vast majority of the files /r/Datahoarders is hoarding is illegal material that they don't want to get ToS'ed for.
- nextlevelwizard 9y agoDefinitely not all. For example the top post of all time (where the guy has 1 Petabyte of videos in Amazon drive) he talks about how only his personal files are encrypted. Then again his videos are recordings of camsites so they might be quite unique
- cs2818 9y agoI always encrypt because I worry an automated copyright scan will be the end of my account. If there was a policy that assured my non-shared files wouldn't be subject to these scans I would happily store content unencrypted. For reference, I don't store pirated content, rather content that I have a license for, but cloud providers have no way of knowing that. Unfortunately the dispute processes are unreliable, so when it's time to backup a media project, I play it safe and encrypt.
- 0xcde4c3db 9y ago> For reference, I don't store pirated content, rather content that I have a license for, but cloud providers have no way of knowing that. I'm pretty sure that they just assert that the backup is illegal even if it came from a licensed copy. One argument (used by Nintendo IIRC) is that the official media/servers are too reliable to require backups, and thus anything purporting to be a backup is really for another purpose and thereby not exempt under the statutes authorizing backups.
- cuckcuckspruce 9y agoThat's pretty uncaring on Nintendo's part. I wonder how many original Nintendo Entertainment System cartridges are destroyed in natural disasters without backup whose owners can only now play ROM dumps of them from the Internet. My entire Nintendo DS and 3DS cart collection was stolen in a break-in at my place. You can bet that instead of repurchasing I simply bought a flash cart.
- cyphar 9y agoYou often see that cloud services or streaming services are creating policies and DRM around copyright laws that actually remove freedoms given to you under copyright (fair use for example, or even instances where you have licensed copies). I wouldn't trust such services to respect your rights in any capacity. In fact, I would argue that the "our incredible journey" trend is a form of property damage (a storage rental place can't just burn their store to the ground with customer's posessions still inside).
- Veratyr 9y ago
- johnchristopher 9y agoOooooooh... reminds me of something https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2438181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2438181 [How Dropbox sacrifices user privacy for cost savings (dubfire.net)]
- jackvalentine 9y ago> when it inevitably dies they run around exclaiming "dont blame me brah they said it was unlimited...., shouldn't have called it unlimited" Well... yeah? If you let people advertise 'unlimited' but they can't actually deliver, you end up with a kind of market for lemons situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons
- syshum 9y agoExcept for the fact that when Google, Amazon and the rest talk about "unlimited" they are referring to unlimited PERSONAL storage of data you create as a person, this would include backups of your personal computer, photos, important documents,etc Not backing up SoundCloud or the entire Internet for $5 a month
- mynewtb 9y agoI would love to have my own personal backup of SoundCloud. It's like having a huge library at home, only not limited by physical space.
- delinka 9y ago>... only not limited by physical space. Well, it still kinda is - the physical drives have to live somewhere... ;-)
- supercoder 9y agoThis is such a cool idea. Going to backup Soundcloud myself tomorrow !
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- pavel_lishin 9y agoI didn't create my tax documents, I didn't create the professionally shot photos of my kid, and it's arguable whether it was truly I that created KSP game save files. I definitely didn't create a lot of the work documents that end up living there, either.
- LeifCarrotson 9y ago> abuse the shit out of it It wouldn't be abuse if it was actually unlimited. They uploaded a finite (if large) amount of data to a service advertising infinite capacity.
- nextlevelwizard 9y agoYou know the saying: "you are not wrong, you are just an asshole". I don't think OP is arguing that it's against ToS or anything like that. He is arguing that if people just upload stuff in these "unlimited" services all willy nilly soon they won't be unlimited anymore. The price will be the same, but they will drop the capacity to something reasonable. Which in turn might hurt some legitimate users. I'm all for people backing up anything they feel like is necessary, but they just need to know that if they are going to be uploading Tera or even Peta bytes of data to "unlimited" service without paying much for it they are living on borrowed time.
- TeMPOraL 9y agoExcept they're not an asshole. Companies should be responsible for what they put in their marketing. If someone calling the bluff on the "unlimited" plan makes them "downsize" the plan to actual ~10TB + $x per Y additional TB, then so be it. It probably doesn't change the reality in any way, and at least the company is no longer lying about its service.
- syshum 9y agoThe problem is they dont downsize to a "reasonable" 10TB, they over correct in the opposite directly like Amazon did, and people that used the service as intended get fucked.
- dawnerd 9y agoPeople were using amazon cloud drive to host their entire plex library and were hammering the service every time plex did a library update.
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- rnhmjoj 9y agoWell, companies should think twice before selling unlimited plans. Maybe set a really high cap that's enough to cover 90% of the users but unlimited means unlimited.
- syshum 9y agoExcept for the fact that when Google, Amazon and the rest talk about "unlimited" they are referring to unlimited PERSONAL storage of data you create as a person, this would include backups of your personal computer, photos, important documents,etc Not backing up SoundCloud or the entire Internet for $5 a month
- dexterdog 9y ago90% would likely be covered by a TB or 2. That would not work for marketing.
- idbehold 9y agoOver a million megabytes of storage!
- Camille34 9y agoI get paid over $95 per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I'd be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I've been doing, •••••••••>>http://cutt.us/7N2sG http://cutt.us/7N2sG
- wastedhours 9y agoWhat would work for marketing if you can't compete on the raw number game is framing the amount - like Apple did with "1000 songs in your pocket". If you want to design a cap - Goog probably has an idea of the kinds of file people store (whether it's pics or docs or videos or sheets etc...), pick a number of those that's impressive and is just lower than what your 10% power users has, and then use that to influence the package size. 2TB of files can easily be turned into "half a million photos" or like their previous ad campaigns, show how it can store every photo from birth to university for your kid or something. Or a love letter every day from first date to goodbye. If you can't compete on the number, don't compete on the number.
- SeanDav 9y agoA car company says: "You can have any colour car you want as long as it is black..." I am sure there will be people defending the car company as really offering unlimited colours, but obviously they have to restrict it to black, because some clients were unreasonable to expect the company to paint their car Neon Vermilion. Or to put it another way, "You can have unlimited storage, except that it is limited..."
- syshum 9y agoNothing is unlimited, it does not exist. Unlimited is a marketing term used to express simply to the consumer there are not overall limits placed on your storage provided you adhere to the rest of the terms of service. In the context of data cloud data stroage when Google, Amazon and the rest talk about "unlimited" they are referring to unlimited PERSONAL storage of data you create as a person, this would include backups of your personal computer, photos, important documents,etc Not backing up SoundCloud or the entire Internet for $5 a month So if you are a amateur photographer then storing 10TB of photos you took on the service is acceptable, downloading 900TB of music files you do not own, you did no create and have no permission to "as a backup" because the service is going to go under is abuse.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago> Unlimited is a marketing term used to express simply to the consumer there are not overall limits placed on your storage provided you adhere to the rest of the terms of service. Well, that's doublespeak then, and if someone calls them out on it by actually testing the claim they make, so be it. I don't understand why people seem not to mind being lied to their faces, as long as it's "just marketing".
- syshum 9y ago>>I don't understand why people seem not to mind being lied to their faces, Because most rational people use common sense and logic to come to the understanding that when a company is offering you "unlimited" storage for your PERSONAL FILES, they do not intend for you to go out and download SoundCloud as backup in case the SoundClould Service goes under Just like when a "All you can Eat" buffet does not intend this to mean "All you can eat in your entire life" where by you fill grocery bags full of food to take home with you
- OzzyB 9y agoIt's okay, for everyone one like this, there's 1000's like me that pay for the service and use a fraction of it. Think of it as we are all contributing to keeping this data safe and available.
- syshum 9y agoThat is what they said about Amazon Cloud Drive and every other Unlimited service that came before it right up to the day the Unlimited Service died
- throwaway2048 9y agoHeres an idea then, don't make bullshit claims you cant back up.
- manigandham 9y agoThere never was unlimited service so the only thing that happened is that services became accurately marketed.
- dawnerd 9y agoAnd since the unlimited google drive is 10 a month per user and is targeting large companies, they definitely offset the costs. Now with team drives that helps a lot as not every employee will have a unique copy of a file.
- ClassyJacket 9y agoWell then they shouldn't have called it unlimited.
- mcintyre1994 9y agoI'm more interested in how they did this: > Not a home connection, just google abuse. GCE has ~40Gbit to each server and >400Gbit peering with amazon It sounds like they paid GCE for 900TB of data transfer?
- modusoperandi 9y agoThere's no charge for ingress traffic. They spin up an instance in GCE and use youtube-dl or something else to scrape the site directly into an "unlimited" drive account (which is also free to transfer into).