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The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that Archiveteam are actually detrimental (in the long run) to the well-being of the Internet. Don't get m

The more I think about this, the more convinced I am that Archiveteam are actually detrimental (in the long run) to the well-being of the Internet. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the work they do, and without them lots of content would simply disappear. But solving this problem should be at the core of the protocol itself (Xanadu, anyone?[1]), not depending on the resources and goodwill of a single team. Just like IPv6, I don't think the problem will be solved as long as there's a patch that somehow works. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu

Buetol 9y ago
I downvoted this. Maybe we will get to this point one day, but in the meantime I think we should all appreciate the amount of conservation work they do for the future generations. Exactly how NGOs help feed people hoping that one day the system will be fixed.
- lucb1e 9y ago
  I upvoted this. Regardless of whether I agree, I think it is a reasonable question to ask / discussion to have, and the downvote button should be used for comments that don't help the conversation in any way.
jacquesm 9y ago
Apt username. Yes, you're wrong. See, we don't have Xanadu and we don't have an in-protocol solution so somebody needs to do the dirty work here and AT stepped up and does an absolutely incredible job. So as long as there's a patch that somehow works we have at least a solution. If that patch wouldn't be there we'd have nothing.
robert_foss 9y ago
The perfect solution is the enemy of the good. There is no perfect solution in sight and this a good one until a better one comes along.
manigandham 9y ago
If/until the foundation is better, how does archiving hurt anything today?
krapp 9y ago
>But solving this problem should be at the core of the protocol itself (Xanadu, anyone?[1]), not depending on the resources and goodwill of a single team. I disagree. Expecting networks and software to act as an immutable medium is a fool's errand. The internet was never meant to provide a permanent cultural archive, and it's not actually a "problem" that it doesn't, because that's not what it's for. Backups should be a service, not a feature of the network or the protocol itself. I think that what Archive Team does represents the correct way to approach the issue.

Buetol 9y ago

I downvoted this. Maybe we will get to this point one day, but in the meantime I think we should all appreciate the amount of conservation work they do for the future generations. Exactly how NGOs help feed people hoping that one day the system will be fixed.

lucb1e 9y ago
I upvoted this. Regardless of whether I agree, I think it is a reasonable question to ask / discussion to have, and the downvote button should be used for comments that don't help the conversation in any way.

jacquesm 9y ago

Apt username. Yes, you're wrong. See, we don't have Xanadu and we don't have an in-protocol solution so somebody needs to do the dirty work here and AT stepped up and does an absolutely incredible job. So as long as there's a patch that somehow works we have at least a solution. If that patch wouldn't be there we'd have nothing.

robert_foss 9y ago

The perfect solution is the enemy of the good. There is no perfect solution in sight and this a good one until a better one comes along.

manigandham 9y ago

If/until the foundation is better, how does archiving hurt anything today?

krapp 9y ago

>But solving this problem should be at the core of the protocol itself (Xanadu, anyone?[1]), not depending on the resources and goodwill of a single team. I disagree. Expecting networks and software to act as an immutable medium is a fool's errand. The internet was never meant to provide a permanent cultural archive, and it's not actually a "problem" that it doesn't, because that's not what it's for. Backups should be a service, not a feature of the network or the protocol itself. I think that what Archive Team does represents the correct way to approach the issue.