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Ignoring all copyright law? We're not talking about stuff that is cheaper equivalents which I'm fine with. The problem with China is counterfeiting brands. Say

by slackingoff2017 9y ago

Ignoring all copyright law? We're not talking about stuff that is cheaper equivalents which I'm fine with. The problem with China is counterfeiting brands. Say I make a charger and want people to think it's high quality. To do this, I spend 90% of effort on making it look exactly like an Apple charger. It even works, kind of, maybe once. This is a straight up scam, and the kind of crap that people knock China for. And such behavior is pervasive with the Chinese govt largely looking the other way. I'm fine with China competing but their government needs to stop the rampant scams. It hurts the more successful Chinese brands just as much.

sgift 9y ago
Yes, ignoring copyright law or patent law - this was exactly what Germany (or rather German countries) did for much of the 19th century. It's the source of 'Made in Germany' which began as a British label to make sure consumers were able to recognize inferior German copies of British (patented) products. When the quality of German products increased 'Made in Germany' developed into a sign of quality.
zanny 9y ago
Why do you blame the Chinese government when, if you want to prevent scam devices from entering your market, you should have your own customs and trade inspectors turn away counterfeit merchandise? The Us lets counterfeit products in. Likewise, if the Chinese government doesn't want to obey US law involving copyright or trademark, which is not an international policy, it is simply the law of the US, that is entirely their sovereign right to. It would also, then, be the US' right to negotiate trade agreements knowing that. The Chinese government does some fucked up shit, but not being under the foot of US global intellectual imperialism is not them being the villains, its the US for trying to force a global framework of IP, and especially US' idea of permanent copyright, on everyone else.
- slackingoff2017 9y ago
  The patents and trademark and copyrights being infringed are largely global. China has a multitude of agreements to enforce the rules, they just don't. This also has nothing to do with the US and everything to do with China. China counterfeits everyone's shit not just one country, but I appreciate how incredibly biased you are against the United States. I didn't even mention the US in my original post so I have no idea where you got that tirade. Copy pasted from your favorite Chinese government mouthpiece maybe? The US can't inspect every piece of mail to find counterfeits, they need to be traced to the source, which China is unwilling to do.
aylmao 9y ago
Yup. Even the early US. For a long time only citizens of the United States could be protected under copyright law; it was legal to copy work by foreigners.
c3833174 9y ago
I just received some PCB from china and noticed they have rounded corners, the horror!

sgift 9y ago

Yes, ignoring copyright law or patent law - this was exactly what Germany (or rather German countries) did for much of the 19th century. It's the source of 'Made in Germany' which began as a British label to make sure consumers were able to recognize inferior German copies of British (patented) products. When the quality of German products increased 'Made in Germany' developed into a sign of quality.

zanny 9y ago

Why do you blame the Chinese government when, if you want to prevent scam devices from entering your market, you should have your own customs and trade inspectors turn away counterfeit merchandise? The Us lets counterfeit products in. Likewise, if the Chinese government doesn't want to obey US law involving copyright or trademark, which is not an international policy, it is simply the law of the US, that is entirely their sovereign right to. It would also, then, be the US' right to negotiate trade agreements knowing that. The Chinese government does some fucked up shit, but not being under the foot of US global intellectual imperialism is not them being the villains, its the US for trying to force a global framework of IP, and especially US' idea of permanent copyright, on everyone else.

slackingoff2017 9y ago
The patents and trademark and copyrights being infringed are largely global. China has a multitude of agreements to enforce the rules, they just don't. This also has nothing to do with the US and everything to do with China. China counterfeits everyone's shit not just one country, but I appreciate how incredibly biased you are against the United States. I didn't even mention the US in my original post so I have no idea where you got that tirade. Copy pasted from your favorite Chinese government mouthpiece maybe? The US can't inspect every piece of mail to find counterfeits, they need to be traced to the source, which China is unwilling to do.

aylmao 9y ago

Yup. Even the early US. For a long time only citizens of the United States could be protected under copyright law; it was legal to copy work by foreigners.

c3833174 9y ago

I just received some PCB from china and noticed they have rounded corners, the horror!