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> you need to convince people it's a good idea Not when it really is a good idea And you realize it somewhere else when they can look up numbers and say: hey

> you need to convince people it's a good idea Not when it really is a good idea And you realize it somewhere else when they can look up numbers and say: hey this is better than what we had, good for us we didn't assume but we measured.

notriddle 9y ago
> > you need to convince people it's a good idea > Not when it really is a good idea If you do IT at a company that isn't a tech company, you're usually going to be stuck in a situation where you have to convince a non-tech-head to make a technical decision that seems right to you. Since you don't have four years to teach them everything that got you to that point, you're going to need to give them high-level details.
hammock 9y ago
>Not when it really is a good idea Getting someone to do ANYTHING that they aren't currently doing requires some level of convincing, regardless of whether its "a good idea" since if the person believed it was the best idea they'd already be doing it.
bsder 9y ago
> Not when it really is a good idea This is so horribly naive that I worry about your ability to survive in life ... Most people resist change. Ferociously. Even if it's a superb idea. Even if resisting might get them fired.
- walterstucco 9y ago
  > This is so horribly naive that I worry about your ability to survive in life ... Don't worry for me, I'm probably way older than you and I survived just by not fighting lost battles They resist and then they die I'm from Italy, I know very well what resistance to change is Everyone around me does just that and they are literally starving with no jobs, while I'm enjoying (almost) valley level salaries, while also enjoying Italian life style. > Even if it's a superb idea. Even if resisting might get them fired. So you prefer to be like them and waste time convincing suicidal maniacs that you're right? What's the point?
- walterstucco 9y ago
  anyway I found this on the front page just now Employees Who Stay in Companies Longer Than Two Years Get Paid 50% Less https://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng/2014/06/22/employees-that-stay-in-companies-longer-than-2-years-get-paid-50-less/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng/2014/06/22/employee... Long story short: if you need to convince someone at you job that your idea is good, unless you're trying to convince them that flying machines are the future and it's 1865, you're better off leaving.

notriddle 9y ago

> > you need to convince people it's a good idea > Not when it really is a good idea If you do IT at a company that isn't a tech company, you're usually going to be stuck in a situation where you have to convince a non-tech-head to make a technical decision that seems right to you. Since you don't have four years to teach them everything that got you to that point, you're going to need to give them high-level details.

hammock 9y ago

>Not when it really is a good idea Getting someone to do ANYTHING that they aren't currently doing requires some level of convincing, regardless of whether its "a good idea" since if the person believed it was the best idea they'd already be doing it.

bsder 9y ago

> Not when it really is a good idea This is so horribly naive that I worry about your ability to survive in life ... Most people resist change. Ferociously. Even if it's a superb idea. Even if resisting might get them fired.

walterstucco 9y ago
> This is so horribly naive that I worry about your ability to survive in life ... Don't worry for me, I'm probably way older than you and I survived just by not fighting lost battles They resist and then they die I'm from Italy, I know very well what resistance to change is Everyone around me does just that and they are literally starving with no jobs, while I'm enjoying (almost) valley level salaries, while also enjoying Italian life style. > Even if it's a superb idea. Even if resisting might get them fired. So you prefer to be like them and waste time convincing suicidal maniacs that you're right? What's the point?
walterstucco 9y ago
anyway I found this on the front page just now Employees Who Stay in Companies Longer Than Two Years Get Paid 50% Less https://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng/2014/06/22/employees-that-stay-in-companies-longer-than-2-years-get-paid-50-less/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/cameronkeng/2014/06/22/employee... Long story short: if you need to convince someone at you job that your idea is good, unless you're trying to convince them that flying machines are the future and it's 1865, you're better off leaving.