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I guess one way it could play out is that as the corruption becomes more and more obvious, together with increasing differences in political ideology between re

I guess one way it could play out is that as the corruption becomes more and more obvious, together with increasing differences in political ideology between red and blue states, an appetite for seceding from the United States could develop in some states, and if that sentiment becomes common enough, it could become a reality?

Melanie343 9y ago
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Aaliyah5654 9y ago
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Retric 9y ago
It's IMO more likely than most people think. I really hope we don't see a civil war in our lifetime, but historically democracy's are highly unstable. This time it might be different, but then again it might not.
- Clubber 9y ago
  A Civil War today would look like Afghanistan or Iraq, not like the one we had before. It won't be pretty and will probably end in authoritarianism the likes we've never seen.
  - maze-le 9y ago
    A civil war in a nuclear armed country could be considerable worse than that. Just consider what would happen if a faction of the army with control over nuclear weaponry took a non-neutral stance...
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  - Retric 9y ago
    ~50% of all US war casualties occurred during the Civil War. It was very nasty, even if only 3% of the total US population died in direct fighting.
    - Clubber 9y ago
      Yes, it was a gruesome war. By Afghanistan and Iraq, I meant more insurgent type war rather than sanctioned armies fighting. Liberal states would have insurgent right wingers and Conservative states would have insurgent left wingers. Insurgents would be fighting the opposite faction of insurgent, and everyone will be armed to the teeth. We saw a glimpse of how that would play out in rural areas with the Oregon stand off. I suspect the cities would be something like we saw in Ukrane with their stand in the main square with the firewall, except a lot more shooting. There would be massive food shortages. It would be crazy and unpleasant and not a damn thing will have been resolved. I realized I was being vague.
zanny 9y ago
The problem is that the stratified cultures that form the arbitrary two sided political dichotomies (see Britain for another great example - given current norms it would make perfectly good sense for Scotland, London, and Northern Ireland to secede from the more conservative England and Wales). But they are arbitrary. The talk radio in the rural conservative parts and the Internet circlejerks in the liberal ones have divided peoples way worse than they were a hundred years ago by putting the soft-reds and soft-blues into echo chambers of the most ardent idealogues and turning many into adherents that place their personal identity into their politics. The other problem is those of us guilty of that - the framing of our identity on high-brow concepts like ideology - don't want to change. Who wants to revert back to ignorance on how you personally think the world is best ordered? The rift will only grow until dissolution does happen unless all participants admit that they want to preserve solidarity in society. They will not be able to change themselves, but they can train future generations to not base themselves so heavily in politics such that they do not segregate themselves such. But it would take everyone agreeing on something nobody wants to have happen. So... yeah right.

Melanie343 9y ago

I get paid over $95 per hour working from home with 2 kids at home. I never thought I'd be able to do it but my best friend earns over 10k a month doing this and she convinced me to try. The potential with this is endless. Heres what I've been doing, •••••••••>>http://www.joinmate2.com http://www.joinmate2.com

Aaliyah5654 9y ago

My mothers neighbour is working part time and averaging $9000 a month. I'm a single mum and just got my first paycheck for $6546! I still can't believe it. I tried it out cause I got really desperate and now I couldn't be happier. Heres what I do, •••••••••>> http://www.joinmate2.com http://www.joinmate2.com

Retric 9y ago

It's IMO more likely than most people think. I really hope we don't see a civil war in our lifetime, but historically democracy's are highly unstable. This time it might be different, but then again it might not.

Clubber 9y ago
A Civil War today would look like Afghanistan or Iraq, not like the one we had before. It won't be pretty and will probably end in authoritarianism the likes we've never seen.
- maze-le 9y ago
  A civil war in a nuclear armed country could be considerable worse than that. Just consider what would happen if a faction of the army with control over nuclear weaponry took a non-neutral stance...
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- Retric 9y ago
  ~50% of all US war casualties occurred during the Civil War. It was very nasty, even if only 3% of the total US population died in direct fighting.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    Yes, it was a gruesome war. By Afghanistan and Iraq, I meant more insurgent type war rather than sanctioned armies fighting. Liberal states would have insurgent right wingers and Conservative states would have insurgent left wingers. Insurgents would be fighting the opposite faction of insurgent, and everyone will be armed to the teeth. We saw a glimpse of how that would play out in rural areas with the Oregon stand off. I suspect the cities would be something like we saw in Ukrane with their stand in the main square with the firewall, except a lot more shooting. There would be massive food shortages. It would be crazy and unpleasant and not a damn thing will have been resolved. I realized I was being vague.

zanny 9y ago

The problem is that the stratified cultures that form the arbitrary two sided political dichotomies (see Britain for another great example - given current norms it would make perfectly good sense for Scotland, London, and Northern Ireland to secede from the more conservative England and Wales). But they are arbitrary. The talk radio in the rural conservative parts and the Internet circlejerks in the liberal ones have divided peoples way worse than they were a hundred years ago by putting the soft-reds and soft-blues into echo chambers of the most ardent idealogues and turning many into adherents that place their personal identity into their politics. The other problem is those of us guilty of that - the framing of our identity on high-brow concepts like ideology - don't want to change. Who wants to revert back to ignorance on how you personally think the world is best ordered? The rift will only grow until dissolution does happen unless all participants admit that they want to preserve solidarity in society. They will not be able to change themselves, but they can train future generations to not base themselves so heavily in politics such that they do not segregate themselves such. But it would take everyone agreeing on something nobody wants to have happen. So... yeah right.