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The difference is you can opt to not listen to the Queen, here you have no other choice, the message is played for any call you make.
by mustaflex 9y ago
The difference is you can opt to not listen to the Queen, here you have no other choice, the message is played for any call you make.
- truxus 9y agoTo play devil's advocate: you can opt to not listen to Erdogan, just wait until he is finished. I believe he's right, the Queen's message is similar.
- mickronome 9y agoDevils devils advocate here :) It's part of the nature of radio that you are in control of the channel, but not the message heard, as it's controlled by programming - the other kind of programming. This is dissimilar to telephone where a specific channel (number) is uniquely expected to reach a specific person, company, or household. Thus the analogy breaks twofold. First, while the radio works as expected under these conditions, the telephone does not. Secondly, opting out means to take some action without affecting anything else than what you are opting out from. If you consider opting out in this context, it's clear that waiting can not be considered to be an action we take, and thus can't be considered a way of opting out, our waiting in line could be considered to be "opting out of standing in line", an obvious contradiction.
- gonvaled 9y agoTurning on TV and selecting a channel is supposed to give me news or funny people doing funny things. On Christmas day some channels are hijacked by the Queen in the UK. No opt-out is possible (and would be scary). You are so convinced of your moral high ground that you do not even notice the similarities. Pot calling the kettle black and so.
- throwaway29292 9y agoThey have the moral high ground because a large proportion of their population isn't protesting against the monarchy or Queen. Nobody(except you) deems it concerning that the TV is 'hijacked' once a year, and your concerns can be dismissed because they are motivated out of defending Turkish actions.
- coldtea 9y agoCan you opt not to have a Queen and not be a subject to some royal family you never voted for or agreed to?
- greglindahl 9y agoYes. The UK could vote to abolish the monarchy, but they haven't. In a typical democracy, you are subject to laws that you didn't vote for or "agree to". A modern constitutional monarchy is a structure agreed to by the people.
- ant6n 9y agoYou can't become a citizen of Canada, a country that calls itself democratic, without swearing allegiance to the queen.
- gonvaled 9y agoSure, Turks could also have rejected Erdogan (they voted for his reforms a couple of months ago). What are you trying to say? And what was the last time that the UK voted to be a monarchy? Because Turkey voting recently makes it arguably more democratic.
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- gonvaled 9y agoWhat? You can opt out by not watching TV, as you can opt out in Turkey by not calling. What's the difference?
- quickthrower 9y agoCan opt out of being murdered on the street by staying in your house 24/7
- sk0g 9y ago"Forced death upon exiting your house is not even an issue, you can avoid it so easily!" - gonvaled, probably
- sk0g 9y agoAre you serious? Lots of people barely watch TV, and this was in ONE time slot. And you're saying you can opt out of calling? Don't you have friends, bosses, colleagues, etc you have to call?
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