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>Writing that we should not allow someone to be part of government because we perceive them as dumb ourselves is dangerous, let the people decide, say your opin

>Writing that we should not allow someone to be part of government because we perceive them as dumb ourselves is dangerous, let the people decide, say your opinion in that matter, show candidate faults, but let the people decide. I don't think I follow. You, I, and everyone else in this conversation are part of "the public" as much as the next guy. And insofar as our political system forces us to vote for less than ideal people in order to advance or protect important principles--and I think lots of people of all political persuasions felt like this in 2016--it is unfortunate. For Trump in particular, you may argue that he lacks in intelligence, and I would disagree but see where you're coming from, but he certainly has plenty of courage. That's what Republican primary voters saw in him.

lossolo 9y ago
> You, I, and everyone else in this conversation are part of "the public" as much as the next guy. I don't really know how should I interpret what you wrote in context of my answer, can you elaborate what you mean by that? Especially how you think this connects to what I wrote? Because analogy to this would be saying that sun shines while discussing about weather without more context. Which doesn't bring anything new to this discussion. > And insofar as our political system forces us to vote for less than ideal people in order to advance or protect important principles--and I think lots of people of all political persuasions felt like this in 2016--it is unfortunate. We could say that "If only people were more knowledgeable, they’d have better politics." Everyone has a different view of “better politics,” but this is a fairly common sentiment. If dumb people vote for dumb people it's not their fault, it's our fault, elites, because we didn't convince them not to, we knew better didn't we? After all they are just dumb people, what do they know? Is that what you are arguing? So what did you do to stop dumb people from voting on other dumb people? What did OP do? It's our responsibility. Ask yourself why people voted for Trump and not those smart, liberal elites? They voted for them before, what changed? Those are all important questions. Political perturbations across western world in last year had their reasons. Why suddenly everyone on world economic forum in Davos say that costs from globalization are higher than benefits for western world? That they have political and social costs. Why most "free trade" advocates suddenly say that they were maybe wrong ? Why Larry Summers says that "the basic responsibility of government is to maximise the welfare of citizens, not to pursue some abstract concept of the global good" now ? Maybe those "dumb" people were right after all and maybe we were wrong? Did you consider that for a second?
- marcoperaza 9y ago
  I voted for Trump actually.
- mistermann 9y ago
  > Why suddenly everyone on world economic forum in Davos say that costs from globalization are higher than benefits for western world? That they have political and social costs. Why most "free trade" advocates suddenly say that they were maybe wrong ? Why Larry Summers says that "the basic responsibility of government is to maximise the welfare of citizens, not to pursue some abstract concept of the global good" now ? Where are you reading this, I haven't heard anything like this at all? As far as I know, it's business as usual is it not?
mcphage 9y ago
> he certainly has plenty of courage For someone with plenty of courage, he sure is afraid of a lot of people.
- mistermann 9y ago
  Other people like Sam Harris who have both courage and intelligence (whether you agree with him or not) are legitimately afraid of the same people, but unlike Trump have solid reasoning behind their beliefs. Besides, Trump isn't "afraid" of anyone, he just knows playing on people's fear works.
  - mcphage 9y ago
    > Besides, Trump isn't "afraid" of anyone I see no evidence for that.
    - mistermann 9y ago
      He's a compulsive liar, you can see evidence of both sides of almost any issue.

lossolo 9y ago

> You, I, and everyone else in this conversation are part of "the public" as much as the next guy. I don't really know how should I interpret what you wrote in context of my answer, can you elaborate what you mean by that? Especially how you think this connects to what I wrote? Because analogy to this would be saying that sun shines while discussing about weather without more context. Which doesn't bring anything new to this discussion. > And insofar as our political system forces us to vote for less than ideal people in order to advance or protect important principles--and I think lots of people of all political persuasions felt like this in 2016--it is unfortunate. We could say that "If only people were more knowledgeable, they’d have better politics." Everyone has a different view of “better politics,” but this is a fairly common sentiment. If dumb people vote for dumb people it's not their fault, it's our fault, elites, because we didn't convince them not to, we knew better didn't we? After all they are just dumb people, what do they know? Is that what you are arguing? So what did you do to stop dumb people from voting on other dumb people? What did OP do? It's our responsibility. Ask yourself why people voted for Trump and not those smart, liberal elites? They voted for them before, what changed? Those are all important questions. Political perturbations across western world in last year had their reasons. Why suddenly everyone on world economic forum in Davos say that costs from globalization are higher than benefits for western world? That they have political and social costs. Why most "free trade" advocates suddenly say that they were maybe wrong ? Why Larry Summers says that "the basic responsibility of government is to maximise the welfare of citizens, not to pursue some abstract concept of the global good" now ? Maybe those "dumb" people were right after all and maybe we were wrong? Did you consider that for a second?

marcoperaza 9y ago
I voted for Trump actually.
mistermann 9y ago
> Why suddenly everyone on world economic forum in Davos say that costs from globalization are higher than benefits for western world? That they have political and social costs. Why most "free trade" advocates suddenly say that they were maybe wrong ? Why Larry Summers says that "the basic responsibility of government is to maximise the welfare of citizens, not to pursue some abstract concept of the global good" now ? Where are you reading this, I haven't heard anything like this at all? As far as I know, it's business as usual is it not?

mcphage 9y ago

> he certainly has plenty of courage For someone with plenty of courage, he sure is afraid of a lot of people.

mistermann 9y ago
Other people like Sam Harris who have both courage and intelligence (whether you agree with him or not) are legitimately afraid of the same people, but unlike Trump have solid reasoning behind their beliefs. Besides, Trump isn't "afraid" of anyone, he just knows playing on people's fear works.
- mcphage 9y ago
  > Besides, Trump isn't "afraid" of anyone I see no evidence for that.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    He's a compulsive liar, you can see evidence of both sides of almost any issue.