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Au contraire – "freedom of labour" actually ended up being something of a euphemism for freedom of movement, sold in in such economic terms to make it palatable

Au contraire – "freedom of labour" actually ended up being something of a euphemism for freedom of movement, sold in in such economic terms to make it palatable to conservatives (and to fit the theme).

coldtea 9y ago
"Freedom of movement" as in "let's bring in cheaper foreign workers and lesser wages and the collective working bargaining powers of workers in each country". The same freedom of movement that SV companies celebrate when they bring in foreign IT workers with H1B Visas, and then pay them less. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/fixing-h-1b-visa-loophole/509639/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/fixing-... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4b0522c7d3d84af http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4...
- mobiplayer 9y ago
  As in "if you can import your cheaply sourced products I can export my labour" or as in "if you manufacture abroad, let me compete with that with moving my talent somewhere else" or as in "freedom to sell my labour anywhere in the EU" or as in "you can bring factories to my poorer country, but I can move to your richer country and also benefit" or as in "part of the 4 freedoms that actually balance each other - they're not a set of 4 freedoms because of identitarian reasons, they exist because they're practical and work well together" I am a migrant working in the UK and it's quite offensive that you would suggest FoM only lowers wages (HINT: It doesn't, look up the LSE's study about it), suggesting I'm here because I'm cheaper.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >(HINT: It doesn't, look up the LSE's study about it) Hint, besides a brief stint in the 60s-early 70s, the LSE has for many decades be an establishment institution. It's not going to rock any boats with its research. It's like expecting the bankers to be critical of the banking system. Using immigration to bring cheap labour in has been going on since at least the industrial revolution. >suggesting I'm here because I'm cheaper I'm not suggesting anything about you in particular. Well skilled professionals do migrate and command equal or bigger than local average wages too. In pointing out what is the case in general, not for outliers.

coldtea 9y ago

"Freedom of movement" as in "let's bring in cheaper foreign workers and lesser wages and the collective working bargaining powers of workers in each country". The same freedom of movement that SV companies celebrate when they bring in foreign IT workers with H1B Visas, and then pay them less. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/fixing-h-1b-visa-loophole/509639/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/fixing-... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4b0522c7d3d84af http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-h-1b_us_5890d86ce4...

mobiplayer 9y ago
As in "if you can import your cheaply sourced products I can export my labour" or as in "if you manufacture abroad, let me compete with that with moving my talent somewhere else" or as in "freedom to sell my labour anywhere in the EU" or as in "you can bring factories to my poorer country, but I can move to your richer country and also benefit" or as in "part of the 4 freedoms that actually balance each other - they're not a set of 4 freedoms because of identitarian reasons, they exist because they're practical and work well together" I am a migrant working in the UK and it's quite offensive that you would suggest FoM only lowers wages (HINT: It doesn't, look up the LSE's study about it), suggesting I'm here because I'm cheaper.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >(HINT: It doesn't, look up the LSE's study about it) Hint, besides a brief stint in the 60s-early 70s, the LSE has for many decades be an establishment institution. It's not going to rock any boats with its research. It's like expecting the bankers to be critical of the banking system. Using immigration to bring cheap labour in has been going on since at least the industrial revolution. >suggesting I'm here because I'm cheaper I'm not suggesting anything about you in particular. Well skilled professionals do migrate and command equal or bigger than local average wages too. In pointing out what is the case in general, not for outliers.