Those examples both seem a little like nitpicking. The argument that something is not like C is particularly interesting to me, because C has arguably the most

Those examples both seem a little like nitpicking. The argument that something is not like C is particularly interesting to me, because C has arguably the most obtuse and unintuitive syntax out there. We just accept it as normal because we've seen it so much. I encourage you to look back and think about how you felt when reading your first C for loop.