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> I still see power, so who cares what they are called? Modern elites are far more powerful. Ah, and another "who cares". You will always see in some form powe
by lossolo 9y ago
> I still see power, so who cares what they are called? Modern elites are far more powerful.
Ah, and another "who cares". You will always see in some form power because this is how world model looks like and how society works, the difference is type of power and it's influence on society, but to know that you would need to know history.
> "no one to buy this things from you when everyone will automate everything, then most people would have no job" --
Do you see difference between what you wrote in last comment which is "no-one could get jobs" and what I wrote which is "MOST PEOPLE would have no job" ?
Do you see the difference? "no-one" vs "most" - you see it? Or you "don't care" and it's "meaningless" ? Or there is no difference because it would mean you are wrong?
I need to waste my time to show things like that?
> since I said I didn't care for historical analysis
And another "I didn't care"..
> Historicism has is generally not seen as valuable or valid anymore; if you disagree the burden is on you to demonstrate otherwise.
> You claim I'm ignorant, then provide nothing more.
I don't need to really look far. Read this article from yesterday, it's historical analysis that proves your ignorance:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/14/globalisation-the-rise-and-fall-of-an-idea-that-swept-the-world https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/14/globalisation-...
Based on this analysis you could predict exact effects of globalism that we see now in economy. But maybe it's also "meaningless" ? Because I am "appealing to another authority" ? Or you "don't care" ? Or because this would prove you are an ignorant.
"arrogance" ? Call it whatever you want, I call things how I see them, you can't stand raw critic about yourself? Then you have problems.
I don't waste my time to argue with ignorants that write things like "I don't care what he meant, because the fact he said it is meaningless" when they do not understand what someone else is writing to them or they don't have any anti-arguments. Your attitude to authority only shows how big your ego is. I know how this discussion will end, with more "I don't care" and "meaningless" instead of real arguments. I've seen it many times. So why I should waste my time on it? I have really better things to do than arguing with ignorants that claim history is irrelevant because they don't know it, at the same time they ate all the brains and write not to "appeal to authority".
You need to know past to understand present and plan for future.
You know why WWII happened? You know why World Trade Organization exist? You know why law is written the way it is? You need to know history to know that. But you probably know better and it's all "meaningless".
"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - that's why historical analysis is so important and that's why you are ignorant.
You will probably understand that I've just finished writing/reading in this thread for good and this was my last message to you. I've explained why.
- Chris2048 9y ago> but to know that you would need to know history I already stated historical analysis is bunk. > Do you see difference Your posts would be a lot shorter if you stated what you thought, instead of speculating of what I think. > And another "I didn't care".. So? What's your point? I'm repeating myself because you don't seem to get it. "I don't care for historical analysis" means I don't value it. I won't start to value it, just because you keep claiming it has value. > it's historical analysis that proves your ignorance How? What do you mean by "proves"? Can you show me the parts proving the Stanford paragraph wrong? > But maybe it's also "meaningless" again, why not spend more time describing it's meaning, than speculating on what I think. > Because I am "appealing to another authority" ? Yes,feel like it, that you are appealing to the Guardian. You point to an entire article as proof. I pointed to a specific paragraph, instead of quoting the whole thing which I believe characterises my opinion well. If you disagree, please state what you disagree with. > I call things how I see them You don't have to say anything that pops into you mind, if there are no reasons for them that you can think of. If you have reasons, provide those instead. > can't stand raw critic about yourself? Then you have problems It's called personal attack/ad-hom, and it's generally considered bad form. No one like nonconstructive criticism, especially that motivated by spite. > when they do not understand what someone else is writing to them I don't care because the burden to provide an argument is on you. The burden is not on me to read the works of Gandi to find one, when you brought it up. > Your attitude to authority only shows how big your ego is What does this mean? Is Gandi an "authority"? > I know how this discussion will end, with more "I don't care" and "meaningless" instead of real arguments. The argument is it doesn't matter what Gandi says, if the meaning isn't communicated. This is a nuanced argument. Some of the things you've written here suggest to me that English isn't your first language, so maybe you are not fully understanding what I write? > ignorants that claim history is irrelevant because they don't know it I never claimed that "history is irrelevant because [I] don't know it". > You know why law is written the way it is? You need to know history to know that. Laws are written by individuals, often motivated by specific events. Specific events can be correlated with events preceding them. But these kind of stories are less useful in predicting the future, which is what Historicism is. > "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - that's why historical analysis is so important and that's why you are ignorant. Are quotes proof too? You know quotes aren't even consistent?