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Lots of places offer flexible business hours, even for people coming in the office. Not everyone always takes lunch at the same time either. Even people in the

by sbov 9y ago

Lots of places offer flexible business hours, even for people coming in the office. Not everyone always takes lunch at the same time either. Even people in the office are not 100% available all the time. Your attitude towards remote workers seems unnecessarily hostile.

CydeWeys 9y ago
You're misinterpreting my post. At my current job we are flexible -- people come in and leave at different times, eat lunch at different times, etc. I'm not expecting everyone to be at their desks from 10-6 all day every day. That's why I said "core business hours". There's a difference between someone who is unavailable because they're off eating lunch and someone who is incommunicado for many hours at a time and impedes progress. I've seen remote workers drastically slow down progress by simply being unavailable while all of the non-remote workers are present and blocked on them for something. In theory an onsite worker could do this too, but in practice they don't simply disappear for hours at a time at the office.
- sbov 9y ago
  Our team is usually fully remote. I've actually worked my full career in mostly remote positions (15 years now). I've very rarely experienced people randomly disappearing for hours at a time, and usually a simple text will clear things up. However, if you work in a flexible office and your team has core business hours, official or not, your manager should probably convey this. This just falls under "managing expectations", and is not necessarily a failure of the employee. Sometimes emergencies will necessitate missing even core business hours. This is more a matter of having more responsibilities (family, kids, etc) than being remote though. But if an employee has these sorts of responsibilities, I'm guessing they are more likely to take up remote work. There are positives and negatives to hiring remote workers, and I think there are several ways to compensate for the negatives. Obviously since I work remotely I think the positives outweigh those negatives. But I also think placing so much emphasis on one of the negatives, that I rarely experience in practice, is extremely narrow sighted. But maybe your remote workers are bad at working remotely, maybe your company is bad at managing remote workers, or maybe there's confounding variables like the one I mentioned above.
  - CydeWeys 9y ago
    I think the answer is that the remote workers were just bad/slackers/not devoted to their jobs. As I said, they failed to move upwards in the company and some were even fired. This was not at a company that was a particularly good or high-paying place to work, mind you. Maybe you've been luckier in the caliber of people that you've worked with, but I contend that, in general, across the entire workforce, it's not rare to see people taking liberties with remote work.

by sbov 9y ago

CydeWeys 9y ago

You're misinterpreting my post. At my current job we are flexible -- people come in and leave at different times, eat lunch at different times, etc. I'm not expecting everyone to be at their desks from 10-6 all day every day. That's why I said "core business hours". There's a difference between someone who is unavailable because they're off eating lunch and someone who is incommunicado for many hours at a time and impedes progress. I've seen remote workers drastically slow down progress by simply being unavailable while all of the non-remote workers are present and blocked on them for something. In theory an onsite worker could do this too, but in practice they don't simply disappear for hours at a time at the office.

sbov 9y ago
Our team is usually fully remote. I've actually worked my full career in mostly remote positions (15 years now). I've very rarely experienced people randomly disappearing for hours at a time, and usually a simple text will clear things up. However, if you work in a flexible office and your team has core business hours, official or not, your manager should probably convey this. This just falls under "managing expectations", and is not necessarily a failure of the employee. Sometimes emergencies will necessitate missing even core business hours. This is more a matter of having more responsibilities (family, kids, etc) than being remote though. But if an employee has these sorts of responsibilities, I'm guessing they are more likely to take up remote work. There are positives and negatives to hiring remote workers, and I think there are several ways to compensate for the negatives. Obviously since I work remotely I think the positives outweigh those negatives. But I also think placing so much emphasis on one of the negatives, that I rarely experience in practice, is extremely narrow sighted. But maybe your remote workers are bad at working remotely, maybe your company is bad at managing remote workers, or maybe there's confounding variables like the one I mentioned above.
- CydeWeys 9y ago
  I think the answer is that the remote workers were just bad/slackers/not devoted to their jobs. As I said, they failed to move upwards in the company and some were even fired. This was not at a company that was a particularly good or high-paying place to work, mind you. Maybe you've been luckier in the caliber of people that you've worked with, but I contend that, in general, across the entire workforce, it's not rare to see people taking liberties with remote work.