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Even if you save up the money to not be desperate in these situations they still have a very high cost. Say you’re 30 and invest in a big index mutual fund. H

Even if you save up the money to not be desperate in these situations they still have a very high cost. Say you’re 30 and invest in a big index mutual fund. Having to use these funds means shaving 8x as many months off your retirement.

Clubber 9y ago
I have an account specifically for "rainy days" like this that is separate from my retirement. That way I'm more comfortable with it.
- ajmurmann 9y ago
  All you are doing is changing the label. The cost is still the same.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    What's the cost? Opportunity cost? You can still put it in a money market account when it's inactive.
    - ajmurmann 9y ago
      If you put money for example into one of Vanguard's "Retirement 20xx" funds you can make some pretty good returns that you can use to retire earlier. If you are in your 30s by the time you retire the money would have increased about eightfold as the grand parent said. Since you will have to pay taxes on those gains if it's not a 401k you will likely only end up with like 4-6x of what you have right now. So one month off due to these shenanigans could be 4-6 months of earlier retirement.
      - Clubber 9y ago
        That is all true but it still doesn't negate the fact that you should have a rainy day account and having said account has a high cost because: 1. Those 401K's and IRA's have a yearly cap, so anything above that cap doesn't apply. 2. Saving your "rainy day" account is a one time thing. Once you reach 4-6 months of income, you are done. 3. Like we agree, you can put it in a non-tax sheltered fund. Also, not sure if you are going to get 8x return in 30 years. Maybe 50 years ago. When I was in college you could expect to double your money ever 7 years. I don't believe that's still the case.
        ajmurmann 9y ago
        I am not arguing against having a rainy day account. You should absolutely have one. I am arguing against tapping into it to take a few months off till Idaho's non-compete period expires. Over the last few years I made ~9% on my Vanguard investments. Vanguard's Retirement 2045 fund made 11% in the last 5 years and 5% in the last 10. That's all still much better than having it wast away in a money market account. You still can get the money out within days.
        Clubber 9y ago
        Oh, most non-compete agreements I've seen are for at least a year. A rainy day fund isn't for waiting that out. A rainy day fund is so you aren't desperate enough to have to take a job that requires you to sign a non-compete like that in the first place.
  - walshemj 9y ago
    presumably the op retirement is in a pension or 401 for the tax benefits an emergency fund is just cash.
throwaway91111 9y ago
Saving and investing are two different things. What's your point?

Clubber 9y ago

I have an account specifically for "rainy days" like this that is separate from my retirement. That way I'm more comfortable with it.

ajmurmann 9y ago
All you are doing is changing the label. The cost is still the same.
- Clubber 9y ago
  What's the cost? Opportunity cost? You can still put it in a money market account when it's inactive.
  - ajmurmann 9y ago
    If you put money for example into one of Vanguard's "Retirement 20xx" funds you can make some pretty good returns that you can use to retire earlier. If you are in your 30s by the time you retire the money would have increased about eightfold as the grand parent said. Since you will have to pay taxes on those gains if it's not a 401k you will likely only end up with like 4-6x of what you have right now. So one month off due to these shenanigans could be 4-6 months of earlier retirement.
    - Clubber 9y ago
      That is all true but it still doesn't negate the fact that you should have a rainy day account and having said account has a high cost because: 1. Those 401K's and IRA's have a yearly cap, so anything above that cap doesn't apply. 2. Saving your "rainy day" account is a one time thing. Once you reach 4-6 months of income, you are done. 3. Like we agree, you can put it in a non-tax sheltered fund. Also, not sure if you are going to get 8x return in 30 years. Maybe 50 years ago. When I was in college you could expect to double your money ever 7 years. I don't believe that's still the case.
      - ajmurmann 9y ago
        I am not arguing against having a rainy day account. You should absolutely have one. I am arguing against tapping into it to take a few months off till Idaho's non-compete period expires. Over the last few years I made ~9% on my Vanguard investments. Vanguard's Retirement 2045 fund made 11% in the last 5 years and 5% in the last 10. That's all still much better than having it wast away in a money market account. You still can get the money out within days.
        Clubber 9y ago
        Oh, most non-compete agreements I've seen are for at least a year. A rainy day fund isn't for waiting that out. A rainy day fund is so you aren't desperate enough to have to take a job that requires you to sign a non-compete like that in the first place.
- walshemj 9y ago
  presumably the op retirement is in a pension or 401 for the tax benefits an emergency fund is just cash.

throwaway91111 9y ago

Saving and investing are two different things. What's your point?