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I must call BS on your first point: it's not just false, but also quite naive to think that an immigration program would purposely target low-skilled individual

I must call BS on your first point: it's not just false, but also quite naive to think that an immigration program would purposely target low-skilled individuals. First, DV is supposed to use random selection (lottery) - so the resulting distribution should reflect the statistical makeup of the applicant pool. Second, one of the DV requirements is a high school diploma - so the pool is biased towards higher education from the start. Third, the rest of the process (documentation, online application, English/affidavit/liquidity requirements) again favors educated/affluent individuals. So I posit that the opposite is true: DV is selecting from a highly-skilled applicant pool, and the benefitting immigrants are better educated than the average population. Anecdotal evidence: all DV immigrants I know (including myself) hold at least a bachelor degree, and work in high-skill professional fields.

true_religion 9y ago
How did you meet all these DV immigrants?
- dazilcher 9y ago
  Some at work, most in the extended circles (being an immigrant myself).
Imagenuity 9y ago
The account @dazilcher created just for this reply. They also hijacked the top comment for visibility. Treat with skepticism.
- dazilcher 9y ago
  Questions for you: 1) can you reply without an account? 2) how did you skip your first post? 3) what makes a reply "hijacking"? 4) where is this "visibility" thing and how do I cash in? 5) do you always judge posts based on the author instead of content?
calvinbhai 9y ago
My apologies if my point came across as condescending. That wasn't my intention. High school diploma is not exactly high skilled. But I agree with the rest of what you say, that there are a good number of immigrants on DV who are high skilled, including you. But the problem of basic skilled immigrants getting DV lottery over highly skilled immigrants from certain countries getting shafted still remains as is. Most taxi drivers I have spoken to in north east either come through DV or family based legal immigration path. With a merit based immigration system, you and I can immigrate to US with way fewer hassles and uncertainties while less skilled people will need to skill up to be eligible.
- dazilcher 9y ago
  DV, as its name suggests, is an immigration program, not an employment program. I happen to believe it tends to filter applicants educated above the local population average, but that is not its primary purpose. And that's a good thing - prioritizing immigration based on the hot job du jour seems quite dangerous and guaranteed to produce the opposite of "diverse".
  - calvinbhai 9y ago
    I believe, the Immigration program intends to make up for the lower TFR in US, so that there is a consistent rate of increase in the population. Until now, immigrants who were not highly skilled (with graduate degrees) were needed to fill the space, but increasing levels of automation and AI, its dangerous for US to not tweak its immigration program to factor this in. If immigrants coming to US have no job prospects, it can only lead to more abuse of immigrants and / or rise in crime. Immigration need not be prioritized based on the "hot job market", but needs to be prioritized based on those who can remain employed with increasing levels of automation and AI.
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true_religion 9y ago

How did you meet all these DV immigrants?

dazilcher 9y ago
Some at work, most in the extended circles (being an immigrant myself).

Imagenuity 9y ago

The account @dazilcher created just for this reply. They also hijacked the top comment for visibility. Treat with skepticism.

dazilcher 9y ago
Questions for you: 1) can you reply without an account? 2) how did you skip your first post? 3) what makes a reply "hijacking"? 4) where is this "visibility" thing and how do I cash in? 5) do you always judge posts based on the author instead of content?

calvinbhai 9y ago

My apologies if my point came across as condescending. That wasn't my intention. High school diploma is not exactly high skilled. But I agree with the rest of what you say, that there are a good number of immigrants on DV who are high skilled, including you. But the problem of basic skilled immigrants getting DV lottery over highly skilled immigrants from certain countries getting shafted still remains as is. Most taxi drivers I have spoken to in north east either come through DV or family based legal immigration path. With a merit based immigration system, you and I can immigrate to US with way fewer hassles and uncertainties while less skilled people will need to skill up to be eligible.

dazilcher 9y ago
DV, as its name suggests, is an immigration program, not an employment program. I happen to believe it tends to filter applicants educated above the local population average, but that is not its primary purpose. And that's a good thing - prioritizing immigration based on the hot job du jour seems quite dangerous and guaranteed to produce the opposite of "diverse".
- calvinbhai 9y ago
  I believe, the Immigration program intends to make up for the lower TFR in US, so that there is a consistent rate of increase in the population. Until now, immigrants who were not highly skilled (with graduate degrees) were needed to fill the space, but increasing levels of automation and AI, its dangerous for US to not tweak its immigration program to factor this in. If immigrants coming to US have no job prospects, it can only lead to more abuse of immigrants and / or rise in crime. Immigration need not be prioritized based on the "hot job market", but needs to be prioritized based on those who can remain employed with increasing levels of automation and AI.

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