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This was clearly rushed to get ready to compete with Up, it pretty much copies my blog post exactly in terms of implementation. Expect to see the other ideas fr

This was clearly rushed to get ready to compete with Up, it pretty much copies my blog post exactly in terms of implementation. Expect to see the other ideas from the repo in there soon. As I said on Twitter, it's a CLI, literally anyone can build this. Startups have their place but in this case it's such a cowardly way to run a business. Funny thing is it doesn't even follow best practices, they clearly don't have much experience in the space, which is evident in that they built almost nothing in two years, this is basically a hobby project. I can't compete with free though, so congrats, best of luck with your joke of a "company".

juancampa 9y ago
> Funny thing is it doesn't even follow best practices, they clearly don't have much experience in the space Do you mind elaborating on this?
- tjholowaychuk 9y ago
  All of their resource management for DNS, certs, domains, etc is done using sub-commands which are not reviewable. Sure they can have an audit trail of events, but Terraform/CloudFormation are industry standard now, as changes can be easily previewed and reviewed by peers. Single-command deploys are cute, don't get me wrong, but it's ultimately a gimmick. It's great for solo or small teams, but for larger teams, they'll ALWAYS use CI, and they'll ALWAYS want to restrict damage that a single team member can do to the infrastructure. There's nothing novel about single-command deploys. Hell at Segment we had "/deploy blog" in Slack for the simple cases that we weren't worried about, tons of companies do this stuff. Most at very least have git -> CI deploys which is a more correct way to do things for real teams.
  - nikon 9y ago
    Will you support other cloud platforms?
    - tjholowaychuk 9y ago
      Yeah I have an issue open for it, but there's no point supporting others until AWS is very robust and feature-complete. Now's can't even tail logs by the looks of it haha, extremely premature announcement.

juancampa 9y ago

> Funny thing is it doesn't even follow best practices, they clearly don't have much experience in the space Do you mind elaborating on this?

tjholowaychuk 9y ago
All of their resource management for DNS, certs, domains, etc is done using sub-commands which are not reviewable. Sure they can have an audit trail of events, but Terraform/CloudFormation are industry standard now, as changes can be easily previewed and reviewed by peers. Single-command deploys are cute, don't get me wrong, but it's ultimately a gimmick. It's great for solo or small teams, but for larger teams, they'll ALWAYS use CI, and they'll ALWAYS want to restrict damage that a single team member can do to the infrastructure. There's nothing novel about single-command deploys. Hell at Segment we had "/deploy blog" in Slack for the simple cases that we weren't worried about, tons of companies do this stuff. Most at very least have git -> CI deploys which is a more correct way to do things for real teams.
- nikon 9y ago
  Will you support other cloud platforms?
  - tjholowaychuk 9y ago
    Yeah I have an issue open for it, but there's no point supporting others until AWS is very robust and feature-complete. Now's can't even tail logs by the looks of it haha, extremely premature announcement.