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If only people would be as passionate about population control as they are about YIMBY and NIMBY. There is a problem that hits at a majority of these issues and

If only people would be as passionate about population control as they are about YIMBY and NIMBY. There is a problem that hits at a majority of these issues and it's a planet's ability to sustain populations. We're out of balance and everyone wants to preach about how it's everyones right to squirt out 6 kids instead of limiting it to one or two, and get the issues under control.

mjfl 9y ago
I'm one of 9. I'm curious, what would you have done to my parents?
- 0x00000000 9y ago
  How about paying people to have a vasectomy after they have 2 kids? But that will never happen because if birth rates decrease who will support the ponzi scheme pensions? In all seriousness the resources required for the average American lifestyle and population density is sustainable. The growth rates of some developing nations are pretty terrifying though.
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sethammons 9y ago
I'm not convinced that population control is needed, at least in the US. The total fertility rate in the US is under 2, which means we are no longer going to be growing in population, but declining; immigration aside. source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2127.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...
- zo1 9y ago
  So then you need population control on the unnaturally and rapidly-growing portions of the world. Especially if they can not afford to take care of those additional children properly.
  - michaelchisari 9y ago
    Birth rates are dropping all over the planet. Mexico is at 2.24 and dropping 0.03 every year, which means they'll be at ZPG in only 8 years. Canada is already at NPG. Italy is at 1.39. Now on to the third world. Even Bangladesh is at 2.18, which is 1/3 of what it was in 1960. Pakistan is at 3.62, but was at 6.02 in 1990. China is at 1.56. Most of the high birth rates are in Africa, which is approx 1/7th of the world's population. Ethiopia's is 4.40 but was 7.25 in 1990. These places also have high (infant and adult) mortality rates, which is a big reason people still have a lot of children. Now globally... We are at 2.45, down from a peak of 5.06 in 1964, and 3.35 in 1990. And we're dropping at an average of about 0.0238 every year since 2000, which puts us at ZPG globally in 19 years. The reason for this is simple: Human rights, a move away from subsistence farming, women's rights, access to birth control. Pushing for these things is working, and there's no reason to think that we have to implement any other plan, especially not something that leans authoritarian in any way. We just need to keep doing what we're doing, and doing it better. Our problem then becoming a looming population crash, not overpopulation.
pcwalton 9y ago
The article is talking about California. We obviously aren't talking about Niger, Somalia, Mali, Chad, Angola, or the Democratic Republic of the Congo (the only places with TFR ≥ 6.0).
nibstwo 9y ago
The good part about anti-kid people is they leave the gene pool.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  My brother and sister have 3 each, that makes up for my none.
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mjfl 9y ago

I'm one of 9. I'm curious, what would you have done to my parents?

0x00000000 9y ago
How about paying people to have a vasectomy after they have 2 kids? But that will never happen because if birth rates decrease who will support the ponzi scheme pensions? In all seriousness the resources required for the average American lifestyle and population density is sustainable. The growth rates of some developing nations are pretty terrifying though.
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sethammons 9y ago

I'm not convinced that population control is needed, at least in the US. The total fertility rate in the US is under 2, which means we are no longer going to be growing in population, but declining; immigration aside. source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2127.html https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/...

zo1 9y ago
So then you need population control on the unnaturally and rapidly-growing portions of the world. Especially if they can not afford to take care of those additional children properly.
- michaelchisari 9y ago
  Birth rates are dropping all over the planet. Mexico is at 2.24 and dropping 0.03 every year, which means they'll be at ZPG in only 8 years. Canada is already at NPG. Italy is at 1.39. Now on to the third world. Even Bangladesh is at 2.18, which is 1/3 of what it was in 1960. Pakistan is at 3.62, but was at 6.02 in 1990. China is at 1.56. Most of the high birth rates are in Africa, which is approx 1/7th of the world's population. Ethiopia's is 4.40 but was 7.25 in 1990. These places also have high (infant and adult) mortality rates, which is a big reason people still have a lot of children. Now globally... We are at 2.45, down from a peak of 5.06 in 1964, and 3.35 in 1990. And we're dropping at an average of about 0.0238 every year since 2000, which puts us at ZPG globally in 19 years. The reason for this is simple: Human rights, a move away from subsistence farming, women's rights, access to birth control. Pushing for these things is working, and there's no reason to think that we have to implement any other plan, especially not something that leans authoritarian in any way. We just need to keep doing what we're doing, and doing it better. Our problem then becoming a looming population crash, not overpopulation.

pcwalton 9y ago

The article is talking about California. We obviously aren't talking about Niger, Somalia, Mali, Chad, Angola, or the Democratic Republic of the Congo (the only places with TFR ≥ 6.0).

nibstwo 9y ago

The good part about anti-kid people is they leave the gene pool.

greglindahl 9y ago
My brother and sister have 3 each, that makes up for my none.

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